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My wife's mother's maiden name was Tushingham, and she often remarked to my wife about her relative, Zelma Shone, nee Owen. Both these families were publicans, George Tushingham being the licensee of The New Inn, in Newtown, Chester, and Horace Owen licensee of The Angel Hotel in Brook Street, Chester. Zelma P. Owen was born in 1921 to a lady: maiden name Tushingham. I am attempting to ascertain the link at this stage, and would appreciate a pointer or two in this quest.

My interest has been aroused by a superb article in the 'Cheshire Ancestor' by a member of the Family History Society of Cheshire, Mr Chester Guttridge.

My late mother-in -law was Fridiswid M. Tushingham, who was orphaned in her early teens, and went to live-in and work for her grandfather George Tushingham at the New Inn, where she stayed until she married.

Chester Guttridge mentions John Tushingham, who had previously been married to Elizabeth Shone; who had herself been previously been married to a Faulkner.
The story Mr Guttridge tells is of a series of difficult circumstances, the main character of which is Ann, who married three times, and who had come into conflict with the law on several occasions throughout her life. Her maiden name was Williamson, and lived with her parents at The White Swan in Milton Street Chester. Her final marriage was to a John Tushingham, 47, born 1838, and a labourer, in November 1885. Her second marriage was to Benjamin Phillip Owen. So the Owen name comes up again! He was made bankrupt after neglecting his business in 1882.

Comments are welcome!

Fridiswid Mary Tushingham

in the 1911 England Census
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Name: Fridiswid Mary Tushingham
Age in 1911: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Relation to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Chester Newtown, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Chester
Search Photos: Search for 'Chester' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 46 Cornwall St Newtown Chester
Registration district: Chester
Registration District Number: 450
Sub-registration district: Chester Cathedral
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 21877
Household Members:
Name Age
Fridiswid Vernon 71, head, widow
Joseph William Tushingham 32, son-in-law, married
Fridiswid Tushingham 33, daughter, married
Fridiswid Mary Tushingham 3, grandaughter

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
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TUSHINGHAM Joseph William Chester 8a 641
VERNON Fridiswid Chester 8a 641

MargaretM,

Thank you for your contributions to my search. Much appreciated.

Horrace

Zelma's birth:

Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
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Owen Zelma P Tushingham Chester 8a 662

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And her parents' marriage:

Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)
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Owen Horace Tushingham Chester 8a 1155
Tushingham Martha A Owen Chester 8a 1155

Was Zelma's mother Martha the daughter of George & Annie of the New Inn? Address on original is New Inn, Newtown, Chester

Martha Annie Tushingham

in the 1911 England Census
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Name: Martha Annie Tushingham
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Chester, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Chester
Search Photos: Search for 'Chester' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: New Twe Newtown Chester
Occupation: School
Registration district: Chester
Registration District Number: 450
Sub-registration district: Chester Cathedral
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 21878
Household Members:
Name Age
George Tushingham 65
Annie Tushingham 45
Samuel Tushingham 35
Wiliam Proby Tushingham 18
Martha Annie Tushingham 14
Beatrice Tushingham 12
Horence Tushingham 7
Emma Gandy 52

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1326875?d=asc

(George on above)


http://www.chesterwalls.info/oldpubs7.html

(New Inn)

Chris :)

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(above also useful)

I can't quickly see a link on the other thread so putting it here just in case it hasn't been noted, one of several Tushinghams at Overleigh Cemetery Chester

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2197697



Samuel Tushingham
Birth: 1877
Chester
Cheshire, England
Death: Jan. 21, 1913
Chester
Cheshire, England

Lived at 28 Walter Street, Chester. Died aged 36 yrs.

Inscription:
In
Loving Memory Of
GEORGE
Son Of
GEORGE & ANNIE TUSHINGHAM
Born Sep [.....] [Died] Jany 26th 1902.
Suffer Little [Children To Come Unto Me]
Also SAM[UEL TUSHINGHAM] Son
Died Jany [21st 1913] Aged [36] Years.
"Thy [Will Be] Done"
Also JOSEPH [.......er]
Died [Sep .. 1913] Aged [33] Years.
[..... ...........]
[.................]
[.................]
Also GEORGE TUSHINGHAM
Died January 19th 1924 Aged 79 Years.
At Rest.

Note: Gravestone is in a very bad state. It is delaminating and is fading away.

Burial:
Overleigh Cemetery
Chester
Cheshire West and Chester Unitary Authority
Cheshire, England

MargaretM,

Thank you again, for these two records of Zelma's birth and her mother, they are likely to help me answer my question, and yours!

I'll get back to you with an answer, as soon as I've thought it out! Which I'm not very quick with these days, aged 77 !

Horrace

MargaretM

Yes, I'm sure you're correct in what you say!

I'm obliged to you again, for your obvious interest in my question.

Horrace

To Chris Ho,

Thank you for these interesting links Chris.

I'll peruse them and get back to you!

Horrace

To Rambling Rose,

Thank you also, Rose! For these really interesting records. I'll take a look at them and get back to you with my response!


Horrace

If I've guessed right, I don't see any Owen connection
NB I've appended quarter of registration to ChesBMD entries

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1897 [q1]
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
TUSHINGHAM Martha Annie Chester Cathedral Cheshire West CAT/78/45


Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1920 [q3]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OWEN Horace TUSHINGHAM Martha Annie Chester, Christ Church Cheshire West CE11/3/104

I'm guessing this is their deaths:
Deaths Dec 1958 (>99%)
OWEN Horace 64 Chester 10a 337

Deaths Sep 1963 (>99%)
OWEN MARTHA A 66 CHESTER 10A 173



Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1895 [q1]
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
OWEN Horace Chester Cathedral Cheshire West CAT/75/35
[There are also births in Nantwich RD in 1893q3 and 1895q1 - both in the Crewe subdistrict]


Church Street, Newtown, Chester (2013)
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3305544
Comparing this pic with the one in the oldpubs URL Chris posted, we can see the pub as the creamy building on right in middle ground (i.e., SE corner of crossroads with Walter St)
The blurb says:
Subject Location
OSGB36: SJ 4078 6703 [10m precision]
Photographer Location
OSGB36: SJ 4077 6703
View Direction
East-northeast (about 67 degrees)

The blurb gives the view direction as ENE - we can see the subject is somewhat east of viewer as its easting coordinate is bigger (the northings are the same).
The photographer must have his back to Christ Church.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3305462
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1068131


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS6N-9TS
Civil Parish Chester
Ecclesiastical Parish Holy Trinity
Sub-District Chester Cathedral
Registration District Chester
Residence Note Bedward Row
John E Owen Head M 37 Chester, Cheshire [HOUSE PAINTER]
Agnes Owen Wife F 37 Chester, Cheshire
Richard E Owen Son M 11 Chester, Cheshire
Nellie Owen Daughter F 9 Chester, Cheshire
Katie Owen Daughter F 8 Chester, Cheshire
Horace Owen Son M 6 Chester, Cheshire
Bertie Owen Son M 4 Chester, Cheshire
[Bedward Row is abt 400m W of the Cathedral, and New Inn is abt 500m NE of the Cathedral]


Marriages Dec 1885 (>99%)
Owen John Edward Chester 8a 667

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1881 to 1885 [1885q4]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OWEN John E LITTLER Agnes Chester, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Cheshire West ROC/21/162

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1889q3 OWENS Richard Ernest Chester Cathedral Cheshire West CAT/67/6
1891q2 OWEN Nellie Chester Cathedral Cheshire West CAT/69/69


1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4S44-5T2
John Edward Owen Head M 28 England
Agnes Owen Wife F 28 Chester, England
John Ernest Owen Son M 1 England
Annie Owen Daughter F 4 England
Mary Taylor Mother In Law F 54 England
Katie Taylor Sister In Law F 14 England

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871 to 1875 [1872q1]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LITTLER Mary TAYLOR James Chester, Holy Trinity Cheshire West CE12/3/221

1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXX-4BX6
Event Place Chester St Oswald, Cheshire, England
Residence Note Orchard St
John Owen Head M 46 Nantwich, Cheshire, England [Shoemaker]
Georgina Owen Wife F 52 Bridport Harbour, Dorset, England
John E Owen Son M 17 Chester, Cheshire, England [Painter]
Martha A Owen Daughter F 15 Nantwich, Cheshire, England

Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
Undrey Georgiana Woods Nantwich 8a 437

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1856 to 1860 [1860q3]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OWEN John UNDREY Georgiana Nantwich, St Mary & St Nicholas Cheshire East 1066/2/432

To: mgnv,

Thank you for all the work you've done here to find and illustrate the Owen link.

The one Owen link that we know to be correct is that provided by MargaretM in my later thread here. We actually know that this link is correct from Tushingham family members, not least of whom was my late mother-in-law, Fridiswid Mary Tushingham, later Grice, who spoke regularly of Zelma Shone, nee Owen, who appears to have been a favourite relative of hers. Zelma's parents being Horace Owen and Martha Annie Tushingham.

I'll take a closer look at your posting & print it off for future use in compiling our tree, as I have done for all the replies to my quertion.

Regards,

Horrace

1901

Joseph W Tashingham
[Joseph W Tushingham]
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: George Tashingham
Mother: Annie Tashingham
Birth Place: Chester, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Chester
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Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Chester
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Chester Cathedral
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3374
Folio: 49
Page Number: 26
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members:
Name Age
George Tashingham 55
Annie Tashingham 34
Samuel Tashingham 23
Joseph W Tashingham 21
Alice Tashingham 17
Mary E Tashingham 13
Wm Probyn Tashingham 8
Martha Alice Tashingham 4
Beatrice Tashingham 2


So looks like Joseph William and Martha are half brother and sister as they have the same father. That would make Fridiswid and Zelma first cousins?

1881

Jos . W . Tushingham
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Geo. Tushingham
Mother: Mary Tushingham
Gender: Male
Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: St Oswald
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 28 Walter St
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chester
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3561
Folio: 18
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Geo. Tushingham 56 <<<ink blot on age on image but looks like 30 something
Mary Tushingham 34
John R. Tushingham 12
Saml. Tushingham 4
Jos. W. Tushingham 1

1871

George is unmarried and occupation is Retired Publican

George Tushingham
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Gender: Male
Where born: Clutton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Christleton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Chester Castle
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 136
Piece: 3727
Folio: 40
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
John Atkin 21
Sarah Atkin 27
George Tushingham 26

George Tushingham
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Chester
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 530

Records on Page:
Name
William Dodd
Mary Jackson <<<<<<<
Martha Liversage
George Tushingham

Mary Tushingham
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Chester
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 293

Hello rootgatherer,

You've certainly gathered a lot of roots here! Thank you for all this effort on my/our behalf. I'll need to peruse them at length to do them justice!

I'll print them off and file them so that I have them to hand to use some of your many findings. Zelma Shone nee Owen was a favourite cousin of my mother-in-law Fridiswid Mary Tushingham, and she was always talking about where they went and what they did!

Great stuff, thanks!

Horrace