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Hi mgnv !

Wow!

I've had a quick read through your several postings here, and they are so comprehensive and complete that I'll need again to print them off to do them full justice in my records!

I'm intrigued, though, by the one you've decided to leave out! (ha ha)

My intuitive guess is that it could be a 'wider family' disgrace, or other disaster, but through my own researches I've come across such before... they don't bother me particularly though.

Thanks again for your extensive voluntary researches into our family history. I don't know who you are of course, and I imagine you prefer it that way, so I won't ask you to break your anonymity, be you man or woman!

Horrace ( also my pseudonym!)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXX-HSYN
Name George Vernon
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Chester St Oswald, Cheshire, England
Registration District Chester
Residence Note Walter St [# 30]
Gender Male
Age 36
Marital Status (Original) Married
Occupation Butcher
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1845
Birthplace Chester, Cheshire, England
Page Number 27
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 3561/18
Affiliate Record Type Household
George Vernon Head M 36 Chester, Cheshire, England
Frederick Vernon Wife F 41 Chester, Cheshire, England
Harriet Vernon Daughter F 9 Chester, Cheshire, England
Wm Geo Vernon Son M 6 Chester, Cheshire, England
Frederick Vernon Son M 5 Chester, Cheshire, England
Sarah Vernon Daughter F 1 Chester, Cheshire, England
[Ancestry also say Frederick is a son, and wife is Frederick]

1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4SH1-MW2
Ecclesiastical Parish CHRIST CHURCH
Registration District Chester
Residence Note Cornwall Street
George Vernon Head M 45 Cheshire, England [Butcher]
Fridesurd Vernon Wife F 50 Cheshire, England
Harriett Vernon Daughter F 19 Cheshire, England
William G Vernon Son M 16 Cheshire, England
Thomas V Vernon Son M 15 Cheshire, England
Fridesurd Vernon Daughter F 13 Cheshire, England
Sarah Vernon Daughter F 11 Cheshire, England
Mary Vernon Daughter F 8 Cheshire, England
Mary E Tushingham Nursechild F 3 Cheshire, England
Harriett Vernon Visitor F 52 Cheshire, England

1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBN1-QWR
George Vernon Head M 26 Cheshire [Butcher]
Frediswid Vernon Wife F 31 Boughton, Cheshire

1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7L8-H2Q
Ecclesiastical Parish Christchurch
Registration District Great Boughton
Residence Note George Street
William Vernon Head M 39 Ashton, Cheshire [Butcher]
Frances Vernon Wife F 38 Chester, Cheshire
George Vernon Son M 16 Chester, Cheshire [Butcher]
Frances Vernon Daughter F 14 Chester, Cheshire
William Vernon Son M 9 Chester, Cheshire
Samuel Vernon Son M 6 Chester, Cheshire
Mary Vernon Daughter F 4 Chester, Cheshire
Martha Vernon Daughter F 2 Chester, Cheshire
James Josh Vernon Son M 3M Chester, Cheshire

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3FD-2DL
Name William Vernon
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 16 Oct 1843
Event Place St John, Chester, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Age (Formatted) 22y
Marital Status Single
Father's Name Samuel Vernon
Spouse's Name Frances Chadwick
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name Richard Chadwick


1841 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M79M-7H2
Elizabeth Chadwick F 40 Cheshire
Thomas Chadwick M 20 Cheshire
Frances Chadwick F 18 Cheshire
Charles Chadwick M 16 Cheshire
John Chadwick M 14 Cheshire
Mary Chadwick F 12 Cheshire
William Chadwick M 10 Cheshire
Richard Chadwick M 8 Cheshire
Betsey Chadwick F 5 Cheshire
James Chadwick M 10 m Cheshire

1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7L7-NKM
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 2628 / 164 Page Number 43
Residence Note Christleton Road
William Laughton Head M 57 Great Boughton, [Master Gardener]
Frederica Laughton Wife F 49 Barrow, Cheshire
William Laughton Son M 19 Great Boughton,
Frederica Laughton Daughter F 22 Great Boughton,
Thomas Laughton Son M 13 Great Boughton,
[This is the FS/FMP transcrription - Ancestry has her name as Frederina Vaughan
I needed to look up by reference (rg9/2628/164/43) to sort that out]

1841 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M79S-9RS
William Vaughan M 30-34 Cheshire
Fridiswood Vaughan F 25-29 Cheshire
Margaret Vaughan F 6 Cheshire
Harriot Vaughan F 5 Cheshire
Fridiswood Vaughan F 2 Cheshire
Mary Vaughan F 10 months Cheshire
Alice Butland F 20-24 Cheshire

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQS3-BYK
Name William Vaughan
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 26 Feb 1834
Event Place , Tarvin, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Fridiswid Little

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4657664

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQGM-RVW
Name Fridiswid Littler
Event Type Christening
Event Date 16 Feb 1812
Event Place , Barrow, Cheshire, England
Gender Female
Father's Name John Littler
Mother's Name Fridiswid

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2262921

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQL2-D4J
Name John Littler
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 19 May 1802
Event Place , Barrow, Chester, England
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Fridiswid Williams

Using https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
In particular:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1614792?collectionNameFilter=false

[NB FMP/GR has images - see Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Marriages 1538-1910
If you (or your local library) have a sub, the image will show both ages, dads' occups, and witnesses - if you don't recognize a witness surname, check the adjacent images - it might be a "professional witness" - some mate or relly of the parish clerk, maybe]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQGW-721
Name George Tushingham
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 16 Apr 1868
Event Place St John, Chester, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Age (Formatted) 23y
Marital Status Single
Father's Name Samuel Tushingham
Spouse's Name Mary Richardson
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name John Richardson

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2947312

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7MD-NP3
Name George Tushingham
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 16 Jun 1874
Event Place St John, Chester, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Age (Formatted) 29y
Marital Status Widowed
Father's Name Samuel Tushingham
Spouse's Name Mary Jackson
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name William Jackson

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F323-4D1
Name Joseph William Tushingham
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 26 Dec 1901
Event Place Christ Church, Chester, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Age (Formatted) 23y
Father's Name George Tushingham
Spouse's Name Feidiswid Vernon
Spouse's Father's Name George Vernon

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3GV-TGR
Name Horace Owen
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 01 Sep 1920
Event Place Christ Church, Chester, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Age (Formatted) 25y
Father's Name John Edward Owen
Spouse's Name Martha Annie Tushingham
Spouse's Father's Name George Tushingham

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ2H-CXR
Name George Vernon
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 13 Apr 1868
Event Place St Oswald, Chester, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Age (Formatted) Full Age
Marital Status Single
Father's Name William Vernon
Spouse's Name Fridiswid Vaughan
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name William Vaughan

There's also a hit for a 1931 Tushingham marr which I won't post


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1839q2 VAUGHAN Fridiswid Chester Castle Cheshire West CAS/2/48
1873q4 VAUGHAN Fridiswid Chester Castle Cheshire West CAS/47/100
1877q3 VERNON Fridiswid Chester Cathedral Cheshire West CAT/48/36
1908q1 TUSHINGHAM Fridiswid Mary Chester Cathedral Cheshire West CAT/95/75

Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
1880q3 VAUGHAN Fridiswid 69 Chester Castle Cheshire West CAS/41/10

Hello rootgatherer,

You've certainly gathered a lot of roots here! Thank you for all this effort on my/our behalf. I'll need to peruse them at length to do them justice!

I'll print them off and file them so that I have them to hand to use some of your many findings. Zelma Shone nee Owen was a favourite cousin of my mother-in-law Fridiswid Mary Tushingham, and she was always talking about where they went and what they did!

Great stuff, thanks!

Horrace

Mary Tushingham
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Chester
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 293

George Tushingham
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Chester
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 530

Records on Page:
Name
William Dodd
Mary Jackson <<<<<<<
Martha Liversage
George Tushingham

1871

George is unmarried and occupation is Retired Publican

George Tushingham
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Gender: Male
Where born: Clutton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Christleton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Chester Castle
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 136
Piece: 3727
Folio: 40
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
John Atkin 21
Sarah Atkin 27
George Tushingham 26

1881

Jos . W . Tushingham
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Geo. Tushingham
Mother: Mary Tushingham
Gender: Male
Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: St Oswald
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 28 Walter St
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Chester
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3561
Folio: 18
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Geo. Tushingham 56 <<<ink blot on age on image but looks like 30 something
Mary Tushingham 34
John R. Tushingham 12
Saml. Tushingham 4
Jos. W. Tushingham 1

1901

Joseph W Tashingham
[Joseph W Tushingham]
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: George Tashingham
Mother: Annie Tashingham
Birth Place: Chester, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Chester
Search Photos: Search for 'Chester' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Chester
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Chester Cathedral
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3374
Folio: 49
Page Number: 26
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members:
Name Age
George Tashingham 55
Annie Tashingham 34
Samuel Tashingham 23
Joseph W Tashingham 21
Alice Tashingham 17
Mary E Tashingham 13
Wm Probyn Tashingham 8
Martha Alice Tashingham 4
Beatrice Tashingham 2


So looks like Joseph William and Martha are half brother and sister as they have the same father. That would make Fridiswid and Zelma first cousins?

To: mgnv,

Thank you for all the work you've done here to find and illustrate the Owen link.

The one Owen link that we know to be correct is that provided by MargaretM in my later thread here. We actually know that this link is correct from Tushingham family members, not least of whom was my late mother-in-law, Fridiswid Mary Tushingham, later Grice, who spoke regularly of Zelma Shone, nee Owen, who appears to have been a favourite relative of hers. Zelma's parents being Horace Owen and Martha Annie Tushingham.

I'll take a closer look at your posting & print it off for future use in compiling our tree, as I have done for all the replies to my quertion.

Regards,

Horrace

If I've guessed right, I don't see any Owen connection
NB I've appended quarter of registration to ChesBMD entries

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1897 [q1]
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
TUSHINGHAM Martha Annie Chester Cathedral Cheshire West CAT/78/45


Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1920 [q3]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OWEN Horace TUSHINGHAM Martha Annie Chester, Christ Church Cheshire West CE11/3/104

I'm guessing this is their deaths:
Deaths Dec 1958 (>99%)
OWEN Horace 64 Chester 10a 337

Deaths Sep 1963 (>99%)
OWEN MARTHA A 66 CHESTER 10A 173



Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1895 [q1]
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
OWEN Horace Chester Cathedral Cheshire West CAT/75/35
[There are also births in Nantwich RD in 1893q3 and 1895q1 - both in the Crewe subdistrict]


Church Street, Newtown, Chester (2013)
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3305544
Comparing this pic with the one in the oldpubs URL Chris posted, we can see the pub as the creamy building on right in middle ground (i.e., SE corner of crossroads with Walter St)
The blurb says:
Subject Location
OSGB36: SJ 4078 6703 [10m precision]
Photographer Location
OSGB36: SJ 4077 6703
View Direction
East-northeast (about 67 degrees)

The blurb gives the view direction as ENE - we can see the subject is somewhat east of viewer as its easting coordinate is bigger (the northings are the same).
The photographer must have his back to Christ Church.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3305462
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1068131


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS6N-9TS
Civil Parish Chester
Ecclesiastical Parish Holy Trinity
Sub-District Chester Cathedral
Registration District Chester
Residence Note Bedward Row
John E Owen Head M 37 Chester, Cheshire [HOUSE PAINTER]
Agnes Owen Wife F 37 Chester, Cheshire
Richard E Owen Son M 11 Chester, Cheshire
Nellie Owen Daughter F 9 Chester, Cheshire
Katie Owen Daughter F 8 Chester, Cheshire
Horace Owen Son M 6 Chester, Cheshire
Bertie Owen Son M 4 Chester, Cheshire
[Bedward Row is abt 400m W of the Cathedral, and New Inn is abt 500m NE of the Cathedral]


Marriages Dec 1885 (>99%)
Owen John Edward Chester 8a 667

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1881 to 1885 [1885q4]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OWEN John E LITTLER Agnes Chester, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Cheshire West ROC/21/162

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1889q3 OWENS Richard Ernest Chester Cathedral Cheshire West CAT/67/6
1891q2 OWEN Nellie Chester Cathedral Cheshire West CAT/69/69


1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4S44-5T2
John Edward Owen Head M 28 England
Agnes Owen Wife F 28 Chester, England
John Ernest Owen Son M 1 England
Annie Owen Daughter F 4 England
Mary Taylor Mother In Law F 54 England
Katie Taylor Sister In Law F 14 England

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871 to 1875 [1872q1]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LITTLER Mary TAYLOR James Chester, Holy Trinity Cheshire West CE12/3/221

1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXX-4BX6
Event Place Chester St Oswald, Cheshire, England
Residence Note Orchard St
John Owen Head M 46 Nantwich, Cheshire, England [Shoemaker]
Georgina Owen Wife F 52 Bridport Harbour, Dorset, England
John E Owen Son M 17 Chester, Cheshire, England [Painter]
Martha A Owen Daughter F 15 Nantwich, Cheshire, England

Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
Undrey Georgiana Woods Nantwich 8a 437

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1856 to 1860 [1860q3]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OWEN John UNDREY Georgiana Nantwich, St Mary & St Nicholas Cheshire East 1066/2/432

To Rambling Rose,

Thank you also, Rose! For these really interesting records. I'll take a look at them and get back to you with my response!


Horrace

To Chris Ho,

Thank you for these interesting links Chris.

I'll peruse them and get back to you!

Horrace

MargaretM

Yes, I'm sure you're correct in what you say!

I'm obliged to you again, for your obvious interest in my question.

Horrace

MargaretM,

Thank you again, for these two records of Zelma's birth and her mother, they are likely to help me answer my question, and yours!

I'll get back to you with an answer, as soon as I've thought it out! Which I'm not very quick with these days, aged 77 !

Horrace

I can't quickly see a link on the other thread so putting it here just in case it hasn't been noted, one of several Tushinghams at Overleigh Cemetery Chester

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2197697



Samuel Tushingham
Birth: 1877
Chester
Cheshire, England
Death: Jan. 21, 1913
Chester
Cheshire, England

Lived at 28 Walter Street, Chester. Died aged 36 yrs.

Inscription:
In
Loving Memory Of
GEORGE
Son Of
GEORGE & ANNIE TUSHINGHAM
Born Sep [.....] [Died] Jany 26th 1902.
Suffer Little [Children To Come Unto Me]
Also SAM[UEL TUSHINGHAM] Son
Died Jany [21st 1913] Aged [36] Years.
"Thy [Will Be] Done"
Also JOSEPH [.......er]
Died [Sep .. 1913] Aged [33] Years.
[..... ...........]
[.................]
[.................]
Also GEORGE TUSHINGHAM
Died January 19th 1924 Aged 79 Years.
At Rest.

Note: Gravestone is in a very bad state. It is delaminating and is fading away.

Burial:
Overleigh Cemetery
Chester
Cheshire West and Chester Unitary Authority
Cheshire, England

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1326875?d=asc

(George on above)


http://www.chesterwalls.info/oldpubs7.html

(New Inn)

Chris :)

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(above also useful)

Was Zelma's mother Martha the daughter of George & Annie of the New Inn? Address on original is New Inn, Newtown, Chester

Martha Annie Tushingham

in the 1911 England Census
Record Image View

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Name: Martha Annie Tushingham
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Chester, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Chester
Search Photos: Search for 'Chester' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: New Twe Newtown Chester
Occupation: School
Registration district: Chester
Registration District Number: 450
Sub-registration district: Chester Cathedral
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 21878
Household Members:
Name Age
George Tushingham 65
Annie Tushingham 45
Samuel Tushingham 35
Wiliam Proby Tushingham 18
Martha Annie Tushingham 14
Beatrice Tushingham 12
Horence Tushingham 7
Emma Gandy 52

Zelma's birth:

Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Owen Zelma P Tushingham Chester 8a 662

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And her parents' marriage:

Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Owen Horace Tushingham Chester 8a 1155
Tushingham Martha A Owen Chester 8a 1155

MargaretM,

Thank you for your contributions to my search. Much appreciated.

Horrace