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Hi,
William Smith born c 1813 in Hilton Cambridgeshire
married Elizabeth Lock in 1850 Toft Cambridgeshire
I'm looking for any info on children
William is also registered as a baliff on Gotobeds farm Cambridgeshire so would appreciate any info on this.
They moved to CroydonSurrey in approx. 1853
many thanks in anticipation
Kevin

Have you tried any census ?

For ref:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gotobeds Farm, Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, England

William Smith Head Married Male 38 1813 Farmers Bailiff Hilton, Huntingdonshire, England
Elizabeth Smith Wife Married Female 28 1823 Bailiffs Wife Croydon, Surrey, England
Lucy Smith Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Grantchester, Cambridgeshire, England
Thomas Daslay Lodger Wr Male 66 1785 Farmers Labourer Barton, Cambridgeshire, England

Just so we can follow

WILLIAM
Last name SMITH
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1850
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ WILLIAM SMITH married
ELIZABETH LOCK
District CAXTON
District number -
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
Volume 14
Page 39
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

Cambridge Chronicle and Journal - Saturday 22 January 1853

Wanted
by young Man, 35 years of age.

A Situation as FARMING BAILIFF. He is well acquainted with farming operations, and is willing to make himself generally useful in his capacity. He has been used to feeding and fatting bullocks.
Apply to William Smith, Mr. Gotobed's Farm, Barton Turnpike.

Daughter, Lucy?

Christening:
Name: Lucy Elizabeth Smith
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1851
Baptism Place: Toft, Cambridge, England
Father: William Smith
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 1040559

marriage for Lucy:

Name: Lucy Elizabeth Smith (Thornton Heath)
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1850
Marriage Date: 4 Feb 1877
Archive Provided Parish: West Croydon, Christ Church
Parish as it Appears: Croydon
Spouse: William Battis (Gloucester Road)
Spouse Age: 33
Father: William Smith, Labourer
Spouse Father: Henry Woodman
Reference Number: 2881/1/7

Witnesses: William Smith, Ann Smith, Ann Edsell

thanks so far- this is fantastic. I got the census returns for 1851 and Lucy's birth but couldn't find anything earlier especially William's birth etc.

Thank you Austin Q for the advert- by the looks of it this was William advertising his services wow its amazing what is actually out there.
Any births would be appreciated :-D

Another child

Name: William Smith
Baptism Date: 14 Jan 1855
Archive Provided Parish: West Croydon, Christ Church
Parish as it Appears: Croydon
Father: William Smith (Labourer)
Mother: Elizabeth Smith

Abode - Thornton Heath (same address as on Lucy's marriage)

A daughter- possibly the witness to Lucy's wedding:

Name: Ann Smith
Baptism Date: 1 Mar 1857
Archive Provided Parish: West Croydon, Christ Church
Parish as it Appears: Croydon
Father: William Smith- labourer
Mother: Elizabeth Smith
Reference Number: 2881/1/1

Abode: Thornton Heath

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Thornton Road, Croydon, Surrey, England

Elizabeth Smith Head Widowed - Female 48 1823 - Surrey, England
William Smith Son - Male 16 1855 - Surrey, England
Ann Smith Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Surrey, England

and possible death for William:

Name: William Smith
Birth Year: abt 1817
Burial Age: 49
Burial Date: 9 Aug 1866
Archive Provided Parish: West Croydon, Christ Church
Parish as it Appears: Croydon
Reference Number: 4626/7
Abode: Thornton Heath

Kevin, you knew more than you let on!

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1334062?d=desc&page=1

William Smith, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: William Smith
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Lock
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 23 Jun 1850
Event Place: Toft, Cambridge, England
Father's Name: Henry Smith
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Lock
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13050-1
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1040559
Reference ID: 2:3P1PM5T

Baptism:
Name: Elizabeth Lock
Baptism Date: 30 Jun 1822
Archive Provided Parish: Croydon, St John
Parish as it Appears: Croydon
Father: Robert Lock -Labourer
Mother: Sarah Lock
Reference Number: 2888/1/13

Year fits with death, and father Henry as on marriage-

Baptism:
Name William Smith
Gender Male
Christening Date 07 Dec 1817
Christening Place Hilton, Huntingdon, England
Father's Name Henry Smith
Mother's Name Elizabeth

Other possible children born to this couple:

John johnson Smith bap. 1815
Henry Smith bap.1819
James Smith bap. 1813

William 1841-

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Long Stow, Caxton & Arrington, Cambridgeshire, England

Henry Smith Male 50 1791 -
Elizabeth Smith Female 45 1796 Cambridgeshire, England
Ann Smith Female 25 1816 -
James Smith Male 20 1821 -
William Smith Male 20 1821 -
Henry Smith Male 20 1821 -
Jane Smith Female 20 1821 Cambridgeshire, England
Sarah Smith Female 15 1826 Cambridgeshire, England
Philip Smith Male 14 1827 Cambridgeshire, England
Fredrick Smith Male 12 1829 Cambridgeshire, England
Lucy Smith Female 9 1832 Cambridgeshire, England
Francis Smith Male 7 1834 Cambridgeshire, England
Mary Smith Female 5 1836 Cambridgeshire, England
William Criswell Male 20 1821 Cambridgeshire, England

William's father in 1851:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Main Road, Toft, Caxton, Cambridgeshire, England

Henry Smith Head Married Male 59 1792 Ag Labourer Formerly A Farmer Hilton, Huntingdonshire,
Elizabeth Smith Wife Married Female 58 1793 - Fen Drayton, Cambridgeshire,
Mary Ann Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 Scholar Longstowe, Cambridgeshire,
William Fredrick Parkes Grand Son - Male 2 1849 - Toft, Cambridgeshire,
Richard Parkes Lodger Unmarried Male 31 1820 Cabinet Maker And Joiner Ampthill, Bedfordshire, England
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cottage, Caldecot, Caxton, Cambridgeshire, England

Henry Smith Head Married Male 69 1792 Farmerly To Farmer Hilton, Hampshire,
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Caldecot, Caxton, Cambridgeshire, England

Henry Smith Head Male 79 1792 Formerly a Farmer, Huntingdonshire, England
Transcription
Elizabeth Smith Wife Female 79 1792 - Cambridgeshire, England
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Death:
First name(s) HENRY
Last name SMITH
Gender Male
Birth year 1792
Age 81
Death quarter 1
Death year 1873
District CAXTON
County Cambridgeshire
Volume 3B Page 310

Fantastic AustinQ. I really didnt know that much I had got back to the 1851 census but dont have access to parish records etc and certainly not the detail you have provided so thank you so much!

Burial
County Cambridgeshire
Place Caldecote
Church name St Michael and All Angels
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 121
Burial date 5 Feb 1873
Person age 81
Burial person forename Henry
Burial person surname SMITH
Burial person abode Toft

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above free link, did post it on other 'Thread', worth a look round!)

Chris :)

im also a little bit confused.
If this is the same couple ( williams parents) it looks like they had quads? of which my relative was one but the william doesnt match up with the previous source- not unheard of I know but quads is so rare

No- the ages for adults (over 15) in the 1841 census were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, hence why it looks as though they are all the same age. (although I have seen some 1841 census for my own family where they were just rounded up or down to the nearest 5)

You'll find transcriptions to some of their baptisms on https://familysearch.org (free)

https://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F2938%2FCCCC09%2F36%2FCCCC09%2F36%2F152A;sib0=157

(relates to Gotobeds Farm, Grantchester. James Gotobed)

Chris :)

(another free below, Cambridgeshire Baptisms/Burials 1801/1837)

https://www.cfhs.org.uk/searchsd.cfm


edits

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Henry
Last name Smith
Marriage year 1811
Marriage date 1811
Marriage place Hilton
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Johnson
Residence Hilton, Huntingdonshire, England
County Huntingdonshire


County Huntingdonshire
Place Hilton
Church name St Mary Magdalene
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 143
Marriage date 23 Jul 1811
Groom forename Henry
Groom surname SMITH
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname JOHNSON
Witness1 forename John
Witness1 surname COOK
Witness2 forename Jane Ann
Witness2 surname JOHNSON
Notes "1st and 2nd wit sign X, 3rd wit Wm THEED"

http://www.freereg.org.uk/