Genealogy Chat

Thanks anyway ArgyllGran

The Prosser side was by marriage into William Cromarty family,he was uncle to the young Pilot.


Family has been traced and interviewed on the local radio today hopefully some family members are going to be able to attend the burial service of the men on 27th in Berlin.

If Mary's brother Wynford, mentioned in her obituary, married in 1927, then there appear to be Prosser descendants, probably in Gloucestershire and Monmouthshire, but as it's too late now to contact them in time for the ceremony, I won't bother sending you details.

Thanks for all your help

Just for information John D S Cromarty was a first cousin of a young Air Pilot Officer also called John Cromarty born Liverpool, whose plane was brought down over Germany in 1942, he was 22yrs old. The plane was found in 1970's and now that all the crew airmen have been identified the MOD are holding a ceremony in Berlin next week, they were searching for family of the crew.

Iam not related to the family just helped in locating family members here in England.

1911
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001944478.pdf

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001944432.pdf
[O Butson Hatchard is also an architect]

The next Vernon directory I can find is 1913
Otto B Hatchard is listed, but not our Wm.
http://www.vpl.ca/bccd/index.php/

It looks like all the Vernon streets have been renamed at some point since then

same site .............

ArgyllGran posted the record earlier


Census Year: 1911
Item Number: 779727
Surname: Cromarty
Given Name(s): William D
Age: 25
Province: British Columbia
District Name: Yale-Cariboo

from image:-

Address:- Wetham W
Born:- Dec 1885, England
Immigrated:- 1911
Nationality:- Scotch
Religion:- Anglican
Occupation:- Architect

Mary B J
Born:- July 1885, Wales
Nationality:- Welsh
Occupation:- Home

otherwise same as William

This looks like the friend ........

Census of Canada, 1911

Census Year: 1911
Item Number: 664051
Surname: Hatchard
Given Name(s): Buston
Age: 32
Province: British Columbia
District Name: Yale-Cariboo

from image:-

Name:- O Buston Hatchard
Address:- Barnard Ave
Lodger
Single
Born:- April 1879
Immigrated:- 1910
Religion:- Anglican
Occupation:- Architect




from this site ................

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/genealogy/Pages/introduction.aspx

from the Ellis Island site .......

Passenger Record

First Name : William David
Last Name : Cromarty
Nationality : United Kingdom, English
Last Place of Residence : Cardiff, Wales
Date of Arrival : May 8th, 1911
Age at Arrival : 26y
Gender : Male
Marital Status : Married
Ship of Travel : Celtic
Port of Departure : Liverpool
Manifest Line Number : 0015



FIRST NAME Mary B.J.
LAST NAME Cromarty
Marital Status Married
GENDER Female
Age at Arrival 25y
Ethnicity N/A
Last Place of Residence Cardiff, Wales
Year of Birth N/A
Passenger ID 101123070012
Date of Arrival May 8th, 1911
Ship of Travel Celtic
Port of Departure Liverpool


Going to Friend O Beaste (??) Hatchard, Bernard Ave, Vernon, BC

Their emigration from the UK ................

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: W D Cromarty
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 29 Apr 1911
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Celtic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Celtic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: White Star Line
Official Number: 113476
Master: A E S Hambelton

from image:-

Travelling with Mrs Cromarty
Occupation:- Architect
Going to New York

Travelling Second Class

and William came to join her later ...........

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: William Cromarty
Birth Date: abt 1885
Age: 35
Port of Departure: Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date: 22 May 1920
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Empress of France
Search Ship Database: Search for the Empress of France in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 136266

Address in UK:- 145 Clifton St, Cardiff
Occupation:- Architect
Age:- 35
Country of Last Permanent Residence:- Canada

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Mary B J Cromarty
Birth Date: abt 1885
Age: 34
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1919
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Melita
Search Ship Database: Search for the Melita in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 136367

Travelling with John D S

Address in UK:- 145 Clifton St, Cardiff, S Wales

Mary age 34
John age 7

Country of Intended Future Residence: British Possessons

Wow

Thank you both I will go through all the info you found.

http://tinyurl.com/z3eqj58


Cromarty, Mary Beatrice:
At Hotel Dieu Hospital, St Catherines, Ont., Thursday Aug 12, 1971, Mary Beatrice Cromarty, 137 Ontario Street, widow of William David Cromarty, mother of J David Cromarty, QC, of Welland, sister of Wynford Prosser of Wales, grandmother of Barry Cromarty, Vancouver, BC, and Mrs D W (Brooke) Sharp of Guelph, also survived by four great-grandchildren.
Service was held in the Butler Chapel, 33 Duke Street, St Catherine's, on Saturday afternoon. Interment Victoria Lawn Cemetery.

John's father's death:

William David Cromarty
in the Ontario, Canada, The Ottawa Journal (Birth, Marriage and Death Notices), 1885-1980
Name: William David Cromarty
Gender: Male
Notice Type: Death
Birth Date: 1884
Death Date: 12 Apr 1960
Death Place: St Catharines
Spouse: Mary Beatrice Prosser

Mary Cromarty
in the 1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
Name: Mary Cromarty
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 30
Est. Birth Year: 1886
Birthplace: Wales
Year of Immigration: 1911
Home in 1916: 18, Strathcona, Alberta
Address: 11124, 84, Ave, Edmonton
Racial or Tribal Origin: Welsh
Relation to Head of Household: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Cromarty
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cromarty 31
Mary Cromarty 30
John Cromarty 4 - born Alberta
Arthur Prosser 25 - brother-in-law

Mary B J Cromarty
in the 1911 Census of Canada
Name: Mary B J Cromarty
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 25
Birth Date: Jul 1885
Birth Place: Wales
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: William D Cromarty
Immigration Year: 1911
Race or Tribe: Welsh
Province: British Columbia
District: Yale and Cariboo
District Number: 14
Sub-district: 48 - Okanagan, Vernon
Sub-District Number: 48
Place of Habitation: Wetham W
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William D Cromarty 25
Mary B J Cromarty 25

Mary Beatrice J Prosser
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: Mary Beatrice J Prosser
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 145 Clifton Street Roath Cardiff <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Assistant (Butchers)
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration district: Central Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 311
Piece: 32119
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Prosser 52 - Head
Hilda Martha Dening 18 - servant
Jane Prosser 50 - wife
Mary Beatrice J Prosser 25 - daughter
John Herbert Prosser 24 - son
Arthur Dillwyn Prosser 20 - son
Olive Prosser 15 - daughter
Wynford Prosser 13 - son
John Tudor Phillips 24 - nephew
Myfanwy Richards 17 - servant

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from FMP

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960

First name(s) JOHN
Last name CROMARTY
Gender Male
Age 8
Birth year 1912
Occupation CHILD
Departure year 1920
Departure day 14
Departure month 7
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port MONTREAL
Destination MONTREAL
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name GRAMPIAN
Ship official number 124220
Ship master's first name G
Ship master's last name HAMILTON
Shipping line CANADIAN PACIFIC RAILWAY ATLANTIC STEAMSHIP LINE
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 30941
Ship registered tonnage 7029
Number of passengers 614
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australia & New Zealand, United Kingdom, Ireland, United States & Canada


Travelling with ??parents, in Cabin Class ............

William Cromarty age 34 Architect
Mary Cromarty, age 32, Wife

Intending Permanent Residence in Canada

??? Maybe John with his mother :

John D S Cromarty
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: John D S Cromarty
Birth Date: abt 1912
Age: 7
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1919
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Melita
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 136367


Mother: Mary N J Cromarty (or maybe Mary M J), age 34.
UK address: 145 Clifton Street, Cardiff.


EDIT:
Or Mary could be Mary B J -

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
CROMARTY William D Cardiff 11a 607
Prosser Mary B J Cardiff 11a 607

from Google ...............

The Ridley Prizes
www.ridleycollege.com/.../Academic%20Prizes%20&%20Special%20Ac...

Ridley College
Major Academic Prizes, Special Achievement Awards, Extra Curricular Athletic & Cadet Awards

A Family Guild Project 2009 Edition


THE BARRY CROMARTY TROPHY -MOST VALUABLE PLAYER - BASKETBALL (E)

F. Barry M. Cromarty ’63 was a keen basketball player on the early 1960s teams, becoming a captain of the 1963 team which won the first St. Catharines Standard Tournament trophy. He established this trophy in 1969 to recognize the most outstanding First Team player. His mother, remembering her happy days watching the teams of the 1960s, completed the endowment in 2000.

www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/2011/11/22/standard-hoops-players-sought

Standard hoops players sought
Standard staff

Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:00:00 EST AM

St. Catharines - The organizing tournament for next week's 50th Standard High School Basketball Tournament is still looking for former MVPs and players from the first championship game to take part in festivities surrounding the event.

From the 1963 championship game players being sought are: Dave Wood, John Latham, Lorne Hodgson, Corwin Cambray, Vince Urbanic, Gordon Dustan, Basil Earle, Tom Kenerson, Bernard Herstek, Nick Andreychuk, Jim Cambray and manager Gary Kosinsky and Fred Truckenbropt from Beamsville; and, Stewart McGregor, Stephen Barrett, John Webster, Barry Cromarty, Stan Shapiro, Peter Rogers, Dave Baird, Mike Matheny, John Moore, Stephen Peacock and manager Jim Railton from Ridley College.