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Thank you all;


It would seem that Catherine Shaw is actually Catherine Chew, a surname name I dont know but seems common in Lancashire,

Another thread about this family:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1362502

Thank you

The latter entry seem a possible ,Sandbach being within travelling distance of Rostherne parish
. It dosnt explain of course how she comes to be in Blackburn to marry Richard Massey there.

I had thought she would have been living there and met Richard as he travelled around.
Although I also thought that hand loom weavers stayed put? One family I researched in yorshire who were fancy wollen weavers stayed in the same village for 200 years

Thank you

(below Burials from FMP)

Chris :)

PASS BRADLEY 1727 - 1803 Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish burials 1538-1911 Cheshire, England
(Bowdon. Jan 17, of Hale, Blacksmith 76)


PASS CATHERINE 1725 - 1803 Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish burials 1538-1911
(Bowdon. March 29, widow of Bradley, late of Hale 78)

could only find 2 births that might be Catherine shaw



Catharine Shaw

England Births and Christenings

Name Catharine Shaw
Gender Female
Christening Date 19 May 1734
Christening Place SAINT MARY,LICHFIELD,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name Robert Shaw



Katharine Shaw

England, Cheshire Parish Registers

Name Katharine Shaw
Event Type Christening
Event Date 11 Aug 1732
Event Place , Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Gender Female
Father's Name John Shaw
Mother's Name Jane

One other question please.

On FSo there is a burial at Bowdon parish church dated --29 March 1803.
Catherine Pass.
As she married Richard Massey at Blackburn in 1751, presuming she was then 21,
and Peter born the 1756 at Middleton -this would make her 73+/-. at this burial.
She married Bradley Pass in 1764 at Rostherne.
Bowdon records are not on every site, so could anyone check this out for me please.

I haven't found a suitable baptism for her yet. And Richard seems to have moved around a bit, so its hard to determine when/where he was born, But looks like the period before 1730 at least.

if anyone has any further suggestions i should be pleased to hear them

Thank you, very informative.

But If they married in Blackburn, why is the bond part of the Cheshire collections?

They both appear to come from Lancashire villages?
Is there anyway to tell how old they are?

Marriage: 4 Jun 1751 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Richard Massey - Prescott
Catherine Chew - Billington
Married by a lycence granted by Mr Griffiths
Register: Marriages 1722 - 1754, Page 32L, Entry 9
Source: Film 1278778

(comes up as above, from below)

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

(below FMP)

Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905 Transcription

First name(s) RICHARD
Last name MASSEY
Marriage year 1751
Marriage date 03 Jun 1751
Parish Blackburn
Spouse's first name CATHERINE
Spouse's last name CHEW (of Billington)
Notes Groom of Prestwich, Lancashire, England
Place BLACKBURN
County Lancashire
(Licence Bond)


Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905 Transcription

First name(s) RICHARD
Last name MASSEY
Marriage year 1751
Marriage date 03 Jun 1751
Spouse's first name CATHERINE
Spouse's last name SHAW
County Cheshire

Thank you all so much , this has been an interesting journey!

I am in correspondence with someone who thinks this Richard Massey is another one ---if you see what I mean.

So finding this marriage is extremely helpful. I had found the burial which was informative becuse it gives his occupation, but finding a suitable marriage is even more so.

why is it that when you have looked at so many sources, someone else finds something in the same place? :-S

Anyway I can proceed with the Catherine Shaw connection.

Oddly the Bradley Pass mentioned, maybe the same one who married a Frances Massey in 1745, its a name more popular that I would have expected... :-)

Thanks again :-)

From things Cheshire on Find My Past, Massey was the Surname of Catherine. (Both of this Parish, said on image)

PASS BRADLEY - 1764 Cheshire Diocese of Chester bishop's transcripts marriages 1576-1906 St. Mary, Rostherne, Cheshire.


(if him below, aged 75)

MASSEY PETER 1750 1825 1825 Cheshire Diocese of Chester bishop's transcripts burials 1576-1906 (of Little Leigh)

Chris :)

(as said with previous Massey 'Threads' (and it'surname variants!) FMP has quite a bit)

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/51023.4/mb.ashx

(looks to relate)


Edits

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/7fd82273-ad3a-49cd-8590-0c2b7bccd8bb

(Indenture of apprenticeship of Peter Massey to Bradley Pass of High Legh, blacksmith, his stepfather)

Burial: 15 Nov 1757 St Peter, Blackley, Lancs.
Richard Massey -
Abode: Late of Rostern Cheshire
Occupation: Weaver
Register: Burials 1754 - 1783, Page 27, Entry 15
Source: LDS Family Search
http://tinyurl.com/j3z77lx

The link for lancs opc

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Lancashire on Line Parish Clerk Project (free records) don't know if you have come across the site but it is free and wonderful for Lancashire relatives - search function very user friendly

21/11/1756 St Leonard Middleton
Peter Massey Son of Richard Massey & wife Katherine
Abode Blackley
Fathers Occupation Weaver


Also Burial 15/11/1757
St Peter Blackley
Richard Massey Late of Rostern Cheshire
Occupation Weaver
Reg of Burials 1754-1783

Sounds promising !

The last one named may be the marriage, where did it take place? 3/6/1751--

This Richard Massey was a weaver who died in Blakely, Lancs,15/11/ 1757, buried at St Peters,,but was previously of Rostherne parish. (when?)

a Catherine Massey married Bradley Pass, Blacksmith of High Legh in 27/06/1764 at Rostherne.
(when Peter is 7-8 years old. -the bond is dated 3/7/1764

He is not the Richard son of John Massey, Shoemaker of Tabley-- that Richard is believed to have been a farmer at Ollerton, near Knutsford. Married to Sarah Cherry.
in 1759 at Sandbach.

Thank you for your assistance, there are so many of them in this area, its hard to know who is connected.

marriage for Richard and catherine

Richard Massey

mentioned in the record of Richard Massey and Catherine Shaw

Name Richard Massey
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 03 Jun 1751
Event Place Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Catherine Shaw

Richard Massey

England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts

Name Richard Massey
Event Type Christening
Event Date 30 Nov 1736
Event Place Rostherne, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Father's Name John Massey
Mother's Name Sarah

could be peter's death

Peter Massey

England, Manchester, Parish Registers

Name Peter Massey
Event Type Burial
Event Date 12 Apr 1842
Event Place St George, Hulme, Lancashire, England
Age 85
Birth Year (Estimated) 1757

is this peter married to a Catherine



Peter Massey

mentioned in the record of Hamblet Massey

Name Peter Massey
Gender Male
Wife Catharina
Son Hamblet Massey

Other information in the record of Hamblet Massey

from England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts

Name Hamblet Massey
Event Type Christening
Event Date 10 Jun 1810
Event Place Rostherne, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Father's Name Peter Massey
Mother's Name Catharina

I have a copy of an Indenture for a child named Peter Massey aged 7-8, dated 3/07/1764, with the Blacksmith, Bradley Pass , at High Legh, a township in Rostherne parish.

I believe....his father to be one Richard Massey, weaver, of Blackley, Lancashire
who died 1757. No burial place known.

His mother is possible Catherine ? who married Bradley Pass 1764

Cannot find Peters baptism (say 1756/57, or a suitable marriage to fit the parents Richard and Catherine.

can anyone advise please?