Genealogy Chat

Next time i go to the BL i will have a proper look, maybe Maureen/Mary was born in the UK and not India.

Nicki

Well if Clara remained in India in April 1900 Charles could not have been Mary/Maureens father.

I cant see a McMorra/Maile/O'Gorman in birth or baptism return in India that could be Mary.

Charles Walter McMorran returned to Plymouth on 26th April 1900 according to his diary which his great-great -grand daughter has.

I guess we will never know.

Thanks

Nicki

But no one knows when Charles came back to England, only that he was on 1901 census taken on 31 st March 1901 ,Clara was pregnant by Augt 1900.and could have been in a relationship with Andrew O'gorman for much longer ,hence Charles return and leaving his then wife in India..it says Andrew is a travling agent.which may have taken him out of India and Clara went with him. so Mary /Maureen may have been born anywhere.
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By 1903 Clara was free to marry.

Andrew & Clara O'Gorman stayed in India from their marriage until 1947 and they had three girls, Kathleen Bride, Oona Erin Winifred and Catharine Phyllis.

On the census it says Charles McMorran was married. He died in 1902 and Clara married Andrew in 1903.

Thank you for trying, like you say she could have been born anywhere.

N
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If Andrew O'Gorman was a travling agent then its possible Clara could have gone with him as Charles Walter was in Devon England by March/April of 1901 when the census was taken.so him and Clara split before then.

Maureen/Mary could have been born anywhere..

Andrew O'Gorman who died on 23 June 1929 was the father of the Andrew O'Gorman who married Clara Louise - They both died in Rhodesia in the sixties.

Phyllis was my grandmother's sister.

Years ago my father went to india and to St Patricks in Bangalore and noted the details of Andrew's & Clara's wedding entry.

Nicki

There is a birth,

Catherine Phylis bapt 19th April 1913 at St Patricks Poona daughter of Andrew O'Gorman a travling agent and Clara Louisa..

The marriage isn't on Ancestry, either.

If this is the right man, he was a widower when he died:

EDIT: No - surely this man is too old to have been Clara's husband?


Andrew O'Gorman
India Deaths and Burials
Name Andrew O'Gorman
Gender Male
Burial Date 23 Jun 1929
Burial Place Poona, Bombay, India
Death Date 23 Jun 1929
Age 83
Birth Date 1846
Marital Status Widowed

FMP isnt showing Andrew O'gormans marriage.

Nicki said Clara married Andrew O'Gorman on 30 June 1903 in India.


Nicki -
you also said,
"William Wallis married my grandmother - Kathleen Bride O'Gorman in Poona - who was Maureen's half sister."
But the 1931 Poona marriage record posted by Nyx gave William Wallis's bride's name as Mary O'Gorman.
Why the different name?


EDIT:

Ancestry has the bride as Catherine, not Mary:

William Wallis
in the India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948
Name: William Wallis
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 25
Birth Date: 1906
Marriage Date: 27 Sep 1931
Marriage Place: Poona, Bombay, India
Father: Edward Wallis
Spouse: Catherine B. O'Gorman
FHL Film Number: 527401

Nicki,

What documentation do you have linking Mary/Maureen to Charles and Clara if you havnt got any birth details for her.?

Where did Clara remarry?

Can't see any such travel record for either of them on Ancestry.

I will have a look but Charles McMorran was a soldier so am guessing he would have been sent back to UK whichever way the Armed Forces travelled.

Nicki

Can Clara or Charles be found on the in-comming passenger list which Ancestry have.to find when either of them returned.

Thanks Kay, none of us ever knew her as Mary, always Maureen.

And the probate says Mary Jessop commonly known as Maureen Louise Jessop.

Nicki x

Mc Morran
Marriage year 1893
Marriage date 19 Jul 1893
Spouse's first name Clara Louisa
Spouse's last name Maile
Place Bangalore
Presidency -
Groom's age 35
Bride's age 18
Groom's father's first name Robert
Groom's father's last name Mc Morran
Bride's father's first name George
Bride's father's last name Maile
Catalogue description India and Pakistan, ecclesiastical returns
Archive reference N-11-8
Folio number 900
Entry number 9
Record set British India Office Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Great Britain, UK None.

Charles is a widower....and at Ordnance depot --- living at Bellary.?

They married in a Weslyan Chapel in Bangalore residence of Clara.

Maureen Lousia is her usual legal name but otherwise also known as Mary, lots of people named Maureen use.Mary as a shortened version.



McMorran Charles W 1859 1902 1902 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 St. Thomas, Devon, England
McMorran Charles Walter 1857 — 1857 British India Office Births & Baptisms Kamptee, Madras
McMorran Charles Walter — — 1882 British India Office Marriages St Thomas Mount St Thomas, Madras
McMorran Charles Walter — — 1891 British India Office Marriages —
McMorran Charles Walter 1859 1902 1902 Devon Burials Exeter, St Thomas, Devon, England

Probate notice arrives and it refers to her as Mary commonly known as Maureen Louise - so I wonder if anyone is able to find a Mary McMorran birth please x

It wouldnt appear so.

This is so frustrating.

I hope the Probate record is sent through quite quickly to see if there are any other clues on that.

Nicki

Ah -
so the travel record I posted for Louise M McMorran travelling from India to UK in 1926 can't be her either.