Genealogy Chat

I hope all this makes sense to you Sam, if there's anything you don't understand just let me know.

wow Austin, this makes sense now, its so lovely that its coming together, just such a shame we wont ever find out who Chris dad is.

It is a shame, Sam. Do you have Christopher's birth certificate?

What was Ellen's occupation and address?

Just backtracking a little- Ellen had a brother George William Carpenter born 1901. On his military records it gives his next of kin as Father, George Carpenter, Epsom Asylum, Epsom, Surrey.- No idea why he was in the asylum yet.

Interestingly, George William gives his address on the military record in 1917 as 359 St Jame's Road (this is the address of Aunty Marsh). His military record also has a copy of his birth certificate:

George William Carpenter
born: 29 December 1900
Address: 11 Falstaff Yard
Father: George Carpenter- general dealer
Mother: Ellen Carpenter, formerly Hall
Informant: Alice Mills (present at birth) 11 Falstaff Yard

Ah- this looks to be Ellen's father- admitted to the workhouse in 1914:

Name: George Carpenter
Birth Date: 1876
Admission Age: 38
Admission Date: 11 Feb 1914
Record Type: Admission
Condition:- General dealer
Observation on admittance: Epileptic
Borough: Southwark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell
Place: London, England
Title: Constance Road Workhouse,

He was discharged a week later, but the records on Ancestry suggest he was in and out of the workhouse on many occasions.

There are quite a few interesting snippets on the families mentioned.

This is Ellen's Uncle- (her mother's half brother):

BOY AND GIRL TRAGEDY IN THE BOROUGH.

William Mills, 18, carman, of Falstaff Yard, Borough, and John Smith, 20, costermonger, of Tabard Street, were remanded, at Southwark Police-court, on Monday, by Mr. Paul Taylor, on a charge of being concerned together in the manslaughter of Rosina Beatrice Clark, 17, brush drawer, of Tabard Street, by striking her with their fists in Great Dover Street, on the night of Sunday, Oct. 28th, thereby causing her death on Thursday, Nov. Ist, at Guy's Hospital, from peritonitis.
It appeared that the lad Mills and the girl Clark had been '' keeping company" for nine months, but that latterly the girl, who was very wellbehaved and respectable, disapproved of the conduct of her lover, and gave him the " cold shoulder." Meeting her in company with others, his jealousy was aroused, and it is alleged that the fatal assault followed. When arrested on Sunday night last, he expressed great sorrow at the unhappy result of the quarrel, and admitted that he struck the deceased; but he declared that Smith, who had been paying her attentions, and been repulsed, had also struck her ; and upon that statement, together with other information, the officer proceeded to arrest Smith.
At an inquest held on the girl on Tuesday. the jury found a verdict of " Death from natural causes," but condemned the cowardly conduct of those who knocked a girl down.

Hi Austin looking at Ellens marraige certificate she was living at 359 st james road. She had Chris a quite a few months earlier.