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I have family in 1891 Census

George A Moss 44 born St Helens
Ann Moss 52 born Sligo Ireland
Henry Devany 17 step son born Gorton Lancs
Thomas Devany 15 step son born Westleigh lancs
Margaret A Devany 14 step daughter born Westleigh lancs

Civil Parish Westleigh
Reg Dist Leigh
Residence Place Leigh Westleigh Lancs

I am looking for the family in 1901 and 1911 census, I have found the daughter Margaret A married to Edward Smith but cant locate the others.

Thank you

Possibly


VIEW 1911 England Census


Name: Thomas Devaney
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Search Photos: Search for 'Liverpool' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 75 Henry Edward Street Lpool
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: Liverpool
Registration District Number: 453
Sub-registration district: Exchange
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 22165
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Devaney 35

Thomas was born in Westleigh/ West Houghton Lancashire according to other census.

I am hoping to find Ann Moss the mother of the Devany children, but cant trace either George Moss and Ann in 1901 or 1911 I looked for deaths in this range none showing.

Maybe Henry ??



Henry Devany
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Henry Devany
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 33 Rutland St St Helens
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Agent For Corn Flour
Registration district: Prescot
Registration District Number: 456
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 22758
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Devany 33



Henry Devany
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Henry Devany
Death Age: 67
Birth Date: abt 1874
Registration Date: Sep 1941
Registration district: St Helens
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 828

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1901 Census

Name: Thomas Devaney
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Woolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: New Windsor
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Ecclesiastical parish: New Windsor St John and All Saints
Town: New Windsor
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Windsor
Sub-registration district: Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: Victoria Barracks Windsor

Piece: 1169
Folio: 114
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 1

Thomas Devaney 24 Private, Grenadier Guards



UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920

Name: Thomas Devaney
Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1876
Birth Place: Woolton, Lancashire, England
Service Start Year: 1899
Regiment: Woolton Lancashire
Regimental Number: 8465
Attestation Paper: y

more details at Fold3 .............. I don't have a subscription



OR this one????

UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920

Name: Thomas Devaney
Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1874
Birth Place: St Patricks, Lancashire, England
Service Start Year: 1892
Regiment: Royal Artillery
Regimental Number: 92615
Attestation Paper: y

more details on Fold3

Thank you looks promising for Henry in St Helens.

I found that Henry's sister Margaret Ann Devanny Smith emigrated with her young family in 1903. Her daughter Margaret O Smith was on a passenger list in 1922 coming from US to an address Hill House Cottage, College Street St Helens, no name of person or relationship was given as to who she was visiting.

Still hoping to locate Ann Moss in census or death record, looking to see if place of birth in Sligo gives a Town.

Do you have the marriage certificate for George and Ann?

That could give her father's name

Thank you Sylviain Woolton is in Liverpool District, I see there are families with Devaney name in Liverpool.

There are so many different spellings for Devany it makes it more difficult to find records.


Ann Waters maiden married James Devany one child James Patrick born in Sligo so assume married there sometime around 1861, on her marriage to George Moss her father is listed as James Waters. a farmer.

I have tried to find a marriage and birth in Ireland with no success.

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British Army Service Records 1760-1915

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Devaney
Birth year 1878
Birth parish St Josephs
Birth town Manchester
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 5140
Regiment -
Year 1895
Attestation date 20 Sep 1895
Attestation age years 17
Attestation age months 9
Attestation service number 5140
Attestation corps 3rd Battalion Manchester Regiment
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 96
Box 998
Box record number 154
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from United Kingdom, England

from image:-

Born in parish of St Joseph's, Manchester
Living in parish of St Patrick's, Manchester
Occupation: Labourer
Employed by Lancashire & York Rail Company, Oldham Road
5'7" tall
120 lbs
Large scar (7") on left shin
Roman Catholic

Thank you for the record I will check up on St Josephs Parish, looks promising

so is this Margaret Ann's birth registration??

DAVEHNY, MARGARET ANN mmn WATERS
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 339

and therefore are these registrations for Henry and Thomas???

DAVANY, HENRY mmn WATERS
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 692

DEVANY, THOMAS mmn WATERS
GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 318

??? other children????

DAVANY, WILLIAM mmn WATERS
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 410 Order


DEVANNY, MARY ELLEN mmn WATERS
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 112

DEVEHNY, BRIDGET ANN WATERS
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 620

DEVANY, JOHN WILLIAM WATERS
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 46

DEVANEY, HENRIETTA WATERS
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 270

I have the Birth cert of John William born in 1869 in Bradford, to confirm his parents.

I cant locate the 1871 Census, I find them in 1881 in Westleigh Lancs. when Ann has remarried to Peter Smith this was before marriage to George Moss, the Devany children has been taken down as DING, included are James Francis born Sligo and John William, Henry, Thomas and Margaret Ann.

I think the William in St Giles will be too early, but the others are possible though not on 1881 census, I will check deaths.

Is that Henry below?...

Chris :)

Baptism: 25 Jan 1874 Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Blackley, Lancashire, England
Henricus Devanaigh - filius Jacobi Devanaigh & Annae (formerly Waters)
Born: 13 Jan 1874
Abode: 4 Ogden Street, Harpurhey
Godparents: Eugenius McHugh; Elizabeth Crook
Baptised by: Thoma Billington
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1887, Page 29
Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1874

DAVANEY Henry WATERS Ardwick Archives+, Manchester Central Library

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php


1939 Register (Find My Past)

57 College Street , St Helens C.B., Lancashire
Henry Devany 13 Jan 1874 Male Corn Miller And Provender Merchant Retired Married
Florence G Devany 26 Feb 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married


Marriages Mar 1915 (>99%)
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Devany Henry Hartland W.Derby 8b 623
Hartland Florence G Devany W.Derby 8b 623


(if below relate)

Baptism: 23 Jun 1861 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancashire, England
Jacobus Francis Devany - filius Jacobi Devany & Annae (formerly Waters)
Born: 13 Jun 1861
Godparents: Eduardus Campbell; Brigitta Rathian
Baptised by: Richardus Brindle M. C.
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston


Marriage: 17 Jan 1891 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
John William Devaney - 21, Collier, Bachelor, Westleigh
Annie Leighton - 19, Spinster, Westleigh
Groom's Father: James Devaney, (Deceased), Labourer
Bride's Father: Joseph Leighton, Collier
Witness: John Isherwood; Priscilla Isherwood, (X)
Married by Banns by: J. H. Stanning Vicar
Register: Marriages 1887 - 1901, Page 64, Entry 127
Source: LDS Film 1885653


(Reference)

Marriage: 2 May 1885 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancs.
George Andrew Moss - (X), 38 Miner Bachelor of Westleigh
Ann Smith - (X), 42 Widow of Westleigh
Groom's Father: Andrew Moss, Bricklayer
Bride's Father: James Water, Farmer
Witness: William Moffatt, (X); Rose Hannah Higham, (X)
Married by Banns by: T. M. Knowles St. Paul's Westleigh
Register: Marriages 1870 - 1887, Page 192, Entry 383
Source: LDS Film 1885653


1871 (Find My Past)
John Devaney Head - Male 48 1823 - Ireland (Bricklayers Labourer)
Ann Devaney Wife - Female 32 1839 - Ireland
James F Devaney Son - Male 9 1862 - Lancashire, England
Mary E Devaney Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Lancashire, England
John W Devaney Son - Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
Charter Street Marshalls Court, Manchester, Lancashire
City Manchester
County Lancashire


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Thank you Chris for all the information.

The 1939 Register address confirms Henry's niece was visiting him in 1922.

The 1871 Census has head of family as John Devaney,rather than James son John William b1869 Lancashire. James Francis b Lancashire.

1878 James Devany death

In the 1881 Census mother Ann now married to Peter Smith, living in Westleigh, Lancs she is listed born Sligo also son James F born Sligo although this could be taken down incorrectly.

The 1881 census John William 1869 is Bradford Yorkshire, I have obtained the cert and it does say father JAMES.

I found a Mary E Devany living in Westleigh in 1881 with another family.

The above Baptisms do look likely maybe the 1871 census details for James/John error as names of family members are the same.

I couldn't find a marriage for James Devany and Ann Waters, thinking that elder son James listed born in Sligo 1862c they would have married in Ireland,

I have not been able to find James F Devany or any record for mother Ann Moss and George Moss in 1901 and 1911

Thank you