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I am trying to find out if my great-grandmother is her mum and that maybe she was adopted?

Can anyone please tell me how I can find out how many children my great-grandmother had (I know she had 2). Is there a list that would show all her children? I think that maybe she had another child that may have been adopted.

My great-grandmother is Florence Ada Shilton, b1864 in Astwood Bank, Birmingham.
Listed as living in Kings Norton in 1901
Then I know she was living in West Derby, Liverpool in 1903.

Any suggestions welcome.

Many thanks

Jackie

Let me confirm ............... Shilton is your gt grandmother's BIRTH name?

What was her married name?

This is your gt grandmother on the 1911 Census

1911 Census

Name: Flounes Ada Thilton
[Florence Ada Shilton]
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Reddeteh Brzmryham
Civil Parish: Waterloo
Search Photos: Search for 'Waterloo' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 30 Cross Street Waterloo Lancashire
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Fannlz Landrer <<< Family Laundress
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Crosby
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 22309

Flounes Ada Thilton 47
Frederick Vietn Thillon 8 b.ca 1903, Waterloo, Lancashire <<<< name is Victor
Edmound Roy Thillon 8 b.ca 1903, Waterloo <<<< name is Edmond


On the image she says she is a Widow and had 2 children born and 2 living

BUT she then says that there re 2 people living in the house (1 male and 1 female, and Edmond's name has actually been crossed out, and his age looks as though it might have been 5??????

from the new GRO Index .......

SHILTON, FREDERICK VICTOR mmn SHILTON
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 258

SHILTON, EDMUND ROY mmn SHILTON
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 259


Both of these birth registrations include the mother's maiden name as Shilton, which implies that she married a man who also had the surname Shilton OR told the Registrar that!


However, this is Florence Gertrude's birth registration from that same site ......

SHILTON, FLORENCE GERTRUDE mmn TOWELL
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in NUNEATON Volume 06D Page 512



The GRO Index includes mmn for registrations from 1 July 1837 to about 1919. Freebmd shows mmn from mid-1911 onwards.

There is no mmn shown if the child is illegitimate, unless the woman has told lies.


Here is Florence Gertrude with her parents in Nuneaton in 1901

1901 Census

Name: Florence G Shilton
Age: 2/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: William J Shilton
Mother: Mary V Shilton
Birth Place: Nuneaton, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Chilvers Coton
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Ecclesiastical parish: Chilvers Coton All Saints
Town: Chilvers Coton
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nuneaton
Sub-registration district: Nuneaton
ED, institution, or vessel: 08

Piece: 2900
Folio: 83
Page Number: 34
Household schedule number: 173

William J Shilton 39 b.ca 1862, Bedworth
Mary V Shilton 40 b.ca 1861, Derby, Derbyshire
William J Shilton 17
Mary Ann Shilton 11
Joseph Shilton 8
Emma E Shilton 6
Theresa Shilton 3
Florence G Shilton 2/12
John Richards 26

and in 1911 .............

1911 Census

Name: Florence Gertrude Shilton
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Nuneaton, Warks
Civil Parish: Nuneaton
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County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 260 Croft Rd Stockingford Nr Nuneaton
Occupation: School
Registration district: Nuneaton
Registration District Number: 388
Sub-registration district: Nuneaton
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 18471

William James Shilton 49
Mary Violet Shilton 50
William James Shilton 27
Mary Ann Shilton 21
Joseph Shilton 18
Emma Elizabeth Shilton 16
Teresa Violet Shilton 13
Florence Gertrude Shilton 10
Cecilia Francis Shilton 7
Nellie Shilton 26 Daughter-in-law
Nellie Cecilia Shilton 3

I would say from the above that Florence Gertrude is NOT Florence Ada Shilton's daughter


but think you should also double check all other children that you have think are Florence Ada's.

You have to register on the following site, but it is free ....

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

click on Order Certificates Online

click on Search the GRO historical birth and ........

Scroll down to Log In (or to register initially)

Click on Submit

Click on Search the GRO Indexes

Click on Births

Florence Ada on the 1939 Register (from FindMyPast)

Shilton Household (1 Person) 47 Crosfield Street , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Florence A Shilton 05 Jan 1864 Old Age Pensioner


The image shows her as Married

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1366431

(above relating)

Chris :)

drat!

Thank you everyone.

I knew all the below about Florence’s twins, as my grandad was Fredrick.

I know all the up to date info below but I wanted to find out if she had another child before then twins were born (Frederick Victor and Edmund Roy 1903)

She came from an affluent family in Astwood Bank Birmingham , with a servsnt, and thwas n on the 1901 census she is a servsnt herself in Kings Norton. This may be because she brought shame in the family in 1900/1901.

Florence Ada Shilton’s name was always Shilton and she lied on the twins birth certificate. She was briefly married to Ellis Mason in 1914 bit he died in action in1916.

I know a lot about my mums grandma but am stuck as to why she was a servsnt.
It is just a thought that she had another child before the twins.

I also know already a lot about her brother and parents.

Thanks for your comments and if you can find Fllorence’s ’other child’ that would be great.

Thank you everyone.

I knew all the below about Florence’s twins, as my grandad was Fredrick.

I know all the up to date info below but I wanted to find out if she had another child before then twins were born (Frederick Victor and Edmund Roy 1903)

She came from an affluent family in Astwood Bank Birmingham , with a servsnt, and thwas n on the 1901 census she is a servsnt herself in Kings Norton. This may be because she brought shame in the family in 1900/1901.

Florence Ada Shilton’s name was always Shilton and she lied on the twins birth certificate. She was briefly married to Ellis Mason in 1914 bit he died in action in1916.

I know a lot about my mums grandma but am stuck as to why she was a servsnt.
It is just a thought that she had another child before the twins.

I also know already a lot about her brother and parents.

Thanks for your comments and if you can find Fllorence’s ’other child’ that would be great.

well, you asked about Florence Ada, and I think I've proved that she is not your "missing" child, and as far as I can make out, you are now asking exactly the same question on your previous thread.

I've also given you directions to GRO Index and how to use it, although I'm sure that you must already have it.

If she did have another child, it could have .........

a) died at or soon after birth, and it is possible that the birth was not registered. Mothers had 6 weeks to register births, deaths had to be registered ASAP ........ I've got several births that wee not registered but there is a death registration for them. Someone forgot! Stillbirths were not registered at that time.

b) the child was adopted at birth. It may have been registered, or Florence might just have given it away and the new parent registered the child in their name. Legal adoptions did not come in until about 1927, so there are few records before then.

c) Florence did keep the child, but it died before the 1901 Census or was out at a foster parent.


She does say very clearly on the 1911 that she had 2 children born and 2 children living ................. she could well be telling the truth!

Family stories are often just that!

I agree with Sylvia - Florence is likely to be telling the truth about having had two children.

However - just in case she wasn't -

Looking back over both threads, we don't seem to have found Florence in 1881.


Just maybe a possibility ???

SHILTON, ALFRED mms SHILTON
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in ST. SAVIOUR, SURREY Volume 01D Page 187

Death ??

SHILTON, ALFRED 1
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 550


EDIT:

But I suppose this might be Alfred's mother. I don't see either of them in 1891:-

Anne Shilton
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Anne Shilton
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell St Giles
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 145
Piece: 723
Folio: 64
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
John G Schuehler 28
Johanna Schuehler 25
Maria Schuehler 1
Anne Shilton 26
Anne Ashby 21
Jessie White 20

Thank you SylviaInCanada, I didn't know that.

And yes, she did have 2 children who lived to adulthood, who I knew very well.

Thanks everyone. I'll close this thread now.