Genealogy Chat

FYI daughter Helen LAFFER who is listed here died in 1853.

Albert Olgilvie LAFFER also had several children who died young (at least 5!)

This is son of Jas & Emma Laffer's eldest son Frederick (with a photo!)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/58526133

The James LAFFER who died in 1893 was the son, not the father - a sad end:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/208452698

James snr had died in 1889 aged 90!
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47053888

Emma and James are buried at St Mary's - http://www.australiancemeteries.com.au/sa/mitcham/stmarysdata.htm

Several family members are buried at Mitcham Cemetery inSA:
http://www.australiancemeteries.com.au/sa/mitcham/mitchamgen_gndata.htm

I'm starting to think perhaps they didn't officially marry,. It happened a fair bit back then. It was very difficult for a woman to get a divorce.

Their children in Victoria just in case:
Chas Fredk 1859 - Richmond, d. 1935 - Gisborne
Emma c1864 - Kyneton, d. 1869 aged 5
James c1864 - Kyneton, d. 1867 aged 3
Sarah Maria 1865 - Kyneton
Ellen 1867 - Kyneton
James 1867 - Kyneton (twin of Ellen)
Henry 1873 - Kyneton, d. 1873 aged 7 [?months]
Wm 1873 - Kyneton (twin of Henry), d. 1873 aged 9 [?months]

If he came directly to WA he will be hard to find I'm afraid. Perth DPS has lists of early shipping but an't see him on the lists included c1850 (since the newspaper clipping places him in Bunbury by 1851). See http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/shipping/mig-wa.htm

Interestngly there is this marriage in SA
1851
8/249
HORGAN John
LAFFER Elizabeth
Adelaide

Elizabeth's death notice in case you hadn't found it
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/208024187

Cherilyn,
Thanks very much for that info. Did you by any chance did you find a passenger list for Charles Swinburne/Swinbourne? Any info would be great Thanks.

Patricia

Cherilyn,
Thanks very much for that info. Did you by any chance did you find a passenger list for Charles Swinburne/Swinbourne? Any info would be great Thanks.

Patricia

Hi Patricia

Sorry I'm so late to the party :-)

Not sure if I've missed this in all the posts but here is James Laffer and family's arrival in South Australia:
LAFFER James, Emma RICHARDS, Helen, Eliz, Mary, Philip Fdk, Jas, Hy B arrived in SA 1840-04-16 aboard Morley from London 1839-12-08 via Plymouth

See http://www.familyhistorysa.org/shipping/passengerlists.html

The same site lists 2 children born to this couple
LAFFER James, Emma RICHARDS, parents of child born 1843-02-04 named Albert Ogilvie at Nth Adelaide
LAFFER James, Emma RICHARDS, parents of child born 1845-01-01 named John White at Fourth Ck

Have to go out for a bit, back later...

(just in case Cherilyn can find more, have asked if she could perhaps have a look, although she isn't about as much as she used to be!)

Chris :)

AustinQ,
Seems it may be him. Thanks for the info

(wonder if that is him below?, 1851 Bunbury, as S C Swinburne)

Chris :)

https://tinyurl.com/ybswxnhk


Edits (not ignoring, but busy morning coming up here!, so better get a 'move on')

(well, would say that was AQ, lol)

Edits (well done!, now need him with Elizabeth)

Chris :)

(oh look, no wonder it couldn't be found, thought that was odd, with 1859 Birth being WA!...)

Marriage
Thompson Ann Female Twinborne Charles T Male Bunbury 1030 1857

http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx


(I know there is a helper who often refers to below for help with things WA)

https://slwa.wa.gov.au/contact-us

(Use Ask a Librarian to this service to submit questions to State Library librarians, who will assist you to find information on the subject of your question.)


(Cherilyn below is another who would be worth letting have a look round, she was about the other week)

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1198324?d=asc

(Lookup offer for Australia)

Is this Charles Sommerville Swinborne related?

Marriage:

First name(s) Charles Somerville
Last name Swinborne
Birth year -
Residence Western Australia, Australia
Marriage year 1857
Marriage date 11 Feb 1857
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Thompson
Marriage place Bunbury, Western Australia, Australia
State Western Australia
Country Australia
Bride's marital status Widowed

Did you see my previous posting? (7 Apr 2018 07:13) children listed plus Trove reference!...

Erika had listed children earlier also...

Chris :)

Chris Ho,
I don't know any of the other children of James Laffer. Where did you find the marriages please. Was it Trove newspapers. Can you look to see when the Laffers came into Australia please. Thanks for helping.

Well it is annoying, lol, newspaper death Helen, says second daughter of, 1871 Mary Marriage, says third daughter of...but what happened to seeing first daughter of?, been trying different keywords, James Laffer...

Chris :)

ArgyllGran,
I see what you mean now. I found some info on Cornwall OPC like baptisms but it is hard to prove that Elizabeth J is the right one. Thank you for your help.

Chris Ho, Have been unable to find when the Laffers and Charles Swinburne came to Australia.
James Laffer and his wife Emma died in South Australia.
Thanks very much for the info.
I am pretty sure that Elizabeth Laffer and Charles Swinburne married somewhere here in Australia

Yes, I know EJ's baptism gives the name Jemima - it was the records of Elizabeth Swinburne I really meant. Anything to prove she was the same Elizabeth.

(oh right, saw that 1859 Birth, but wasn't sure if more before.)

That Surname does vary!...wonders when Elizabeth went To Australia...

Chris :)

(below look to be her Parents)

Day Month 25-Oct
Year 1828
Parish Or Reg District Talland
Groom Fn James
Groom Sn LAFFER
Groom Age
Groom Residence otp
Groom Condition bachelor
Groom Rank Profession gentleman
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession
Bride Fn Emma
Bride Sn RICHARDS
Bride Age
Bride Residence otp
Bride Condition spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L) L
Witness Fn1 Elizabeth
Witness Sn1 Gower
Witness Fn2 George
Witness Sn2 Richards

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

(those other siblings of hers, perhaps one or more of them went also!, not seeing Burials for Parents, Cornwall)

1830 Talland Helen LAFFER James Emma
1832 Talland Mary LAFFER James Emma
1834 Talland Philip Ferdinand LAFFER James Emma
1836 Talland James LAFFER James Emma


Birth
LAFFER, HENRY (RICHARDS)
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in LISKEARD Volume 09 Page 183

(could be another, if you wanted find occ. of James, hopefully!)


(so he went, below from FMP)

Laffer Henry 1838 1922 1922 South Australia Deaths 1842-1972 Sturt, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia


Laffer Henry 1837 — 1893 South Australia Marriages 1842-1937 [unrecorded] Norwood, Norwood, South Australia, Australia

(Father, James Laffer. Spouse, Amy Cashmore)

(Trove bringing up items, a Marriage 1871, Mary Laffer/Luke Franklin, also Helen Laffer Death 1853, Emma Laffer Death 1879, James Laffer Death, 1889)

You may already know of above...(but looking likely the Marriage for Elizabeth/Charles not England!)


https://tinyurl.com/y96djehl

(above was that 1887 item, with Birmingham reference)

Chris Ho,
The first child of Elizabeth Laffer and Charles Swinburne was Charles Frederick born Victoria 1859 and died 1935.

ArgyllGran,
The baptism for Elizabeth Jemima Laffer in 1830 that Chris Ho has mentioned has jemima included. That is the one I am pretty sure that married Charles Swinburne.