Genealogy Chat

Looking for a friend - any info on the following please:
William Thomas Knowles 1919 - 1990, died in WORTHING sUSSEX
Kenneth Samuel Knowles 1920 - 1978 DIED IN CHATHAM KENT
Ralph Knowles 1924 - 1967 DIED IN HASLINGTON LANCS

All born in the Shrewsbury

Findmypast is playing up at the moment so can't access any records. Sorry.

Kath. x

'Any info' is abit vague - and we may duplicate what is altready known

It would help us to help you if you said what you're actually hoping to learn, and also what research you've done yourself

Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
Knowles Bery C M Pinches Atcham 6a 1117
Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
Knowles Barbara Pinches Atcham 6a 889
Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
Knowles William T Pinches Atcham 6a 831
Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
Knowles Kenneth S Pinches Atcham 6a 1111
Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
Knowles Joyce Pinches Atcham 6a 1035
Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
Knowles Ralph Pinches Atcham 6a 905

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
Knowles William T Pinches Atcham 6a 831

Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
Knowles Kenneth S Pinches Atcham 6a 1111

Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
Knowles Ralph Pinches Atcham 6a 905

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
KNOWLES Thomas Pinches Atcham 6a 1485 <<<<<<<<<
Pinches Gertrude A Knowles Atcham 6a 1485 <<<<<<<<
Stealey Emma E E Taylor Atcham 6a 1485
Taylor Percy Stealey Atcham 6a 1485

Parents

Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
KNOWLES Thomas Pinches Atcham 6a 1485
Pinches Gertrude A Knowles Atcham 6a 1485

Mother's death

Name: Gertrude A Knowles
Death Age: 47
Birth Date: abt 1886
Registration Date: Sep 1933
Registration district: Atcham
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 601

Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
PINCHES Gertrude Ann Atcham 6a 696

Deaths Sep 1933 (>99%)
Knowles Gertrude A 47 Atcham 6a 601

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1934 (>99%)
Bucknall Elizabeth Ebrey Atcham 6a 1845
Ebrey Thomas R J Bucknall Atcham 6a 1845
Knowles Thomas Lucas Atcham 6a 1845 <<<<<<<<<<
Lucas Helen Knowles Atcham 6a 1845 <<<<<<<<

For DOB info

Name: William Thomas Knowles
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: 13 May 1919
Registration Date: Mar 1990
Registration district: Worthing
Inferred County: West Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 2751

Can't see any of them yet in 1939

Surname First name(s) DoB District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1978 (>99%)
KNOWLES KENNETH SAMUEL 22OC1920 CHATHAM 16 775

Ralph too early for DOB to be shown

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Sep 1967 (>99%)
Knowles Ralph 43 Haslingden 10c 325

The eldest


Name: Beryl C M Knowles
[Potts]
[Beryl Adcock]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 4 Jan 1915
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: Canterbury, Kent, England
Occupation: Millinery Buyer
Schedule Number: 94
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: DGAQ
Registration district: 58-1


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Name: Beryl C Knowles
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1947
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Spouse: Redvers Potts
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 2618


Name: Redvers Potts
Death Date: 13 Nov 1980
Death Place: Harrogate
Probate Date: 15 Apr 1981
Registry: Newcastle-upon-Tyne

His first wife

Name: Ida Potts
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1904
Registration Date: Jun 1970
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 2337

The older sons could have been 'signed up' in 1939, although Ralph should be there

I wonder if Kenneth joined the RN
??
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1942 (>99%)

Knowles Kenneth S Thirgood Chatham 2a 2497
Thirgood Norma K Knowles Chatham 2a 2497


Name: Norma Kathleen Knowles
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 23 May 1921
Registration Date: Nov 2001
Registration district: Medway
Inferred County: Kent
Register Number: B39A
District and Subdistrict: 5611B

One birth showing 1944 to Knowles/Thirgood in Chatham RD showing on freebmd with a possible marriage for him 1964 Chatham RD also on freebmd

Probate for the 3 brothers - all free to search. Copies of wills can be ordered through the site - they may reveal some information

1990 and 1978 too late to name who probate was granted to and if grant of administration may not give any useful information

William - grant of Administration only. Give date of death and home address at time

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=knowles&yearOfDeath=1990&page=6#calendar

Kenneth - Grant of admin only. Again gives date of death and home address at time

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=knowles&yearOfDeath=1978&page=4#calendar

Ralph's probate granted to widow Winifred. also gives date of death and address

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=knowles&yearOfDeath=1967&page=5#calendar

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1944
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
KNOWLES Ralph WHALLEY Winifred Sleave Oswaldtwistle, Immanuel Preston CE38/8/75

Birth of a possible son registered in Haslingden district. Find it on freebmd

Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)

Sleave Lily Whalley Haslingden 8e 391
Whalley Thomas H Sleave Haslingden 8e 391

Births Dec 1925 (>99%)
Sleave Winifred Sleave Haslingden 8e 166

A tree on Ancestry says this is Joyce's death - but it's NOT:


Joyce Barbara Knowles
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Joyce Barbara Knowles
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 20 Oct 1923
Registration Date: Jun 2004
Registration district: Bridgnorth
Inferred County: Shropshire
Register Number: 18A
District and Subdistrict: 710/1

That one was Joyce B Baldwin of Wolverhampton, who married a Knowles.

Many thanks all and apologies, my initial message was too vague. I'm looking on behalf of Joyce Knowles' b1923 died around 1968) daughter. We have BC's for William, Kenneth and Ralph but can't find any marriage records to indicate offspring as friend would like to try to contact living relatives

Many thanks all and apologies, my initial message was too vague. I'm looking on behalf of Joyce Knowles' b1923 died around 1968) daughter. We have BC's for William, Kenneth and Ralph but can't find any marriage records to indicate offspring as friend would like to try to contact living relatives