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Can someone do me a kindness and do an Ancestry Look Up for me please?

It is under the Criminal Registers, 1791-1892

Samuel Green - Birth 1816

Residence - 28/11/1836 Middlesex, England


I fear he may have been a colourful character!!

Many thanks in advance.

hi is this samuel green

https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def2-28-18361128&div=t18361128-28#highlight

Samuel Green
in the UK, Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books, 1802-1849
Name: Samuel Green
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Date Received: 13 Dec 1836
Ship: Fortitude
Place Moored: Chatham
Date Convicted: 28 Nov 1836
Place Convicted: Central Criminal Court (Old Bailey), London

Larceny from (I think) Tutor

The image shows the surname as GreenE

Name: Samuel Green
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1816
Court Date: 28 Nov 1836
Court Place: London, England
Role: defendant
Offense: Category: Theft; Subcategory: pocketpicking
Verdict: Guilty
Punishment: Category: Transport
Collection: Proceedings of the Old Bailey
ID: def2-28-18361128

ABRAHAM BOULTON, SAMUEL GREEN.
Theft: pocketpicking.
28th November 1836
Reference Number t18361128-28
Verdict Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
Sentence Transportation
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28. ABRAHAM BOULTON and SAMUEL GREEN were indicted for stealing, on the 4th of November, 1 handkerchief, value 1s., the goods of Thomas Thimbleby, from his person.

THOMAS THIMBLEBY . I live in Hatton-garden. On the 4th of November I was passing through Newgate-streets, about twelve o'clock, and felt my coat tail moved—I turned and saw Boulton in custody—my handkerchief was gone from my pocket—I saw Green when I turned round—he
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was a short distance before Buolton—this is my handkerchief—it was taken out of Buolton's jacket pocket.

THOMAS HOBBS (police-constable C 85.) I saw the prisoners in Oxford-street about ten o'clock in the morning, and watched them down Holborn to Newgate-street, when I saw Buolton put his hand into the prosecutor's pocket, and take out this handkerchief and put it into his own pocket—Green at the time was holding out his own coat that people should not see what Buolton did—I took them, and took the handkerchief out of his pocket—I asked Buolton, when I took him to prisoner, where he lived—he said, "I do'nt do business so."

Green. I was not in company with this young man—I do not know him—I had my hands in my pockets all the way. Witness. They were talking together all down Holborn, and Green waited at the corner of a court facing the Old Bailey till Buolton, who went down there, came out again.

BUOLTON— GUILTY . Aged 20.

GREEN— GUILTY . Aged 20.

Transported for Seven Years.

Samuel
Last name Green
Age 18
Birth year 1817
Year 1835
Session date 06 Apr 1835
Court Clerkenwell
Archive
The National Archives
Source Home Office: Criminal Registers, Middlesex, 1791-1849
Series HO26
Documents Records created or inherited by the Home Office, Ministry of Home Security, and related bodies
Piece 41
Piece scope Newgate

larcenry, 2 monthsimp and twice whipped

Oooh thank you all so very much for taking the time to look this gentleman up.

I am assuming this is the same. When they were deported did they have transport back? I know very little about being transported.

He is back in London by 1846 and married.

I appreciated you answering. Thank you.

Loads of info about transportation if you google

Will do. Thanks again.

Samuel Green

in the Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868
View Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868

Name: Samuel Green
Vessel: Moffatt
Convicted Date: 28 Nov 1836
Voyage Date: 7 Nov 1837
Colony: Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land)
Place of Conviction: Old Bailey, London, England

I Think his return is too early for immigation records

Yes, thanks for a nod in the right direction ErikaH. Fortitude was a prison hulk, it didn't sail anywhere! So yes, Samuel would be back in London after his sentence. I had no idea.

I do appreciate information given by all of you.

Thanks Maddie. That is a curve ball. I will have to go further into this. My Samuel, according to my research, was back in London, with a family in 1846. So maybe I need to recheck. Thanks for your time.

When and where did he marry?

A bit sketchy Erika.

My link is his daughter Mary Ann b. 1854. He has two elder daughters, so maybe married between 1845-47. I am working from the 1861 Census for the family living at 4 Chapel Place. Islington. Wife is named as Sarah.

I could be linking a different Samuel, it is a common name.

edit. Logging off for the night. Will not be back on til tomorrow sometime. Thanks.

ancestry links these births to the 1861 census
Name: Eliza Green
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Mar 1847
Baptism Place: Islington St Mary, Islington, England
Father: James Green
Mother: Sarah Green

Name: Emma Green
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1849
Marriage Date: 22 Jun 1874
Marriage Place: St Barnabas, Hornsey Road, Islington, England
Father: James Green
Spouse: Charles Blanche

Name: Mary Ann Green
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1854
Baptism Place: Islington St Mary, Islington, England
Father: James Green
Mother: Sarah Green

do you want to post the details of samuels family

Mary A Green
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary A Green
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: 1855
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Sarah Green
Gender: Female
Where born: Holloway, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 126
Folio: 11
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Green 36 - widow, birthplace unknown
Eliza Green 14
Emma Green 12
Annie Green 9
Mary A Green 6
James Green 4
Catherine Green 1
James Carpenter 35 - boarder
Robert Minton 25 - nephew, married
Jane Minton 18 - niece, married




GREEN, MARY ANN mms HUNT
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT Volume 01B Page 239

GREEN, ANN mms HUNT
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT Volume 01B Page 203

GREEN, JAMES mms HUNT
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT Volume 01B Page 231

GREEN, KATHERINE mms HUNT
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 295

???

Death:
GREEN, JAMES 44
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 179

Are we thinking that James was aka Samuel ??

James
Last name Green
Name note -
Marriage year 1841
Marriage date 07 Apr 1841
Marriage place Shoreditch
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah Ann
Spouse's last name Hunt
County London
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

IF he did not return this May be him

aged about 60
free of servitude
death natural causes -- english cholora

inquest
Samuel Green
Australia, Tasmania, Miscellaneous Records, 1829-2001
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Event Type:
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Event Date:
27 Jun 1871
Event Place:
Tasmania, Australia

Oh wow. Thank you so much Maddie and ArgylleGran. As we are told, I am working backwards from Mary Ann. So have no definite details without certificates etc, but this certainly has given me more information to get cracking on.

I shall work on this new info, and see what I can find out, to go further back.

Thank you both once again for your help. Much appreciated.

edit. sorry Maddie did not see you asking about Samuel. I have him as being born 1816, Islington, but no further details.

edit. again, I have misread your post ArgyleGran, I have the Mary Ann etc as the children of Samuel, not James Green. So I don't know if this is wrong now. The dates of birth seems right, but maybe I am up a gum tree!