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I knew that Renee had received a cap and gown but I didn’t know she had been a school teacher. So sad that she was so unhappy to do what she did.
Many thanks to you all for filling in the blanks and being so helpful.

Re Renee Rothwell formally Holmes,1966

The Gazette states ,,,,,,,a school teacher.!


ROTHWELL (formerly HOLMES), Renee.
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96 Baites Avenue, Darlington, Co. Durham, School Teacher. 17th May 1966.

I don’t know how you all manage to find these things out but thank you. I will study the new findings over the weekend

Doc True

Unique Role
Laing, Forfar. The best man was unable to reach the village in time for the wedding of Private Rodger Bothwell to Miss Alice Sey, a nurse at Montrose ROyll Infirmary, and the Rev. A. J. Grubb, the officiating minister, tried in vain to find a young man
28 March 1941 - Montrose Standard - Montrose, Angus, Scotland



Doc True

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Nursing Home. Northwood, Middlesex, on the 13tn Sept.. 1942. to Sec. Lt, R. A O Rothweil. Border Regt. and Mrs Rothwell (nee Alice Sey). a daughter.
24 September 1942 - Aberdeen Weekly Journal - Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire

Interesting!

So the ER I posted for Alice on page 1 is correct.

The possible 2003 death in Bury which I posted at the same time, is presumably not the right one, as the DOB doesn't match.
Anyway, she emigrated ( but could have come back).

There is a Rothwell/ Sey birth for a daughter in 1942 Uxbridge. Alice and she travel to Montreal in 1957 and Alice is recorded as being single (single was also used for widowed or divorced) Alice's birth date was 3/6/15 and her address was The Manse, Kincardine O'Neill where she had been housekeeper. They intended to settle in Canada.


Name: Alice Rothwell
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 19 Oct 1957
Port of Departure: Greenock, Scotland
Destination Port: Montreal, Canada
Ship Name: Empress Of Scotland

This is all I can see on GR for Roger's wedding. EDIT it's on fmp so have filled it in.


Aberdeen Weekly Journal Aberdeenshire, Scotland

20 Mar 1941
Births, Marriages, Deaths')

ROTHWELL SEY. —At Ferryden Church Scotland. Montrose, 14th March, 1941. the Rev. Anthony Grubb, Roger Alfred Gordon; only son of Mr and Mrs A Rothwell, of Bury. Lancs., Alice Gordon, youngest daughter of Mr and Mrs A Sey, Craigellie, Fraserburgh.

Thank you for that Kath

Winterton Hospital in Sedgefield was classed as a lunatic asylum/mental hospital at that time.

Kath. x

Thank you for that. Renee died in tragic circumstances. John Holmes was her father but not sure who Dorothy Stebbings was. I don’t think she was a family member so maybe a friend.
Mash

Renee's probate reads

HOLMES or ROTHWELL Renee of 96 Bates Avenue Darlington died 17 May 1966 at Winterton Hospital Sedgefield County Durham PROBATE Durham 28th July to Dorothy Stebbings spinster and John Holmes engineer £3786

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=holmes&yearOfDeath=1966&page=11#calendar

Unfortunately, the DOB is not shown

posted to show date of birth

Maddie

Your post has come up twice

Repeats what I found earlier

Alice Gordon Sey born 1915 in Aberdeenshire, and the marriage also in Aberdeenshire.

No children in Aberdeenshire, nor England/Wales.

Don't know if the same person or not, living alone (at least with no other Rothwell of voting age) in both 1950 and 1951:

Alice G Rothwell
in the Aberdeen City and Former Counties of Aberdeenshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1832-1976
Name: Alice G Rothwell
Record Type: Electoral Roll
Residence Year: 1950
Street address: The Manse
Residence Place: Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Parliamentary County of Aberdeen; Kincardine: Western Division


Possible death ??? :

Mrs Alice Rothwell
in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2018
Name: Mrs Alice Rothwell
Gender: Female
Age: 88
Birth Date: 17 Nov 1915
Last Residence: Bury, Lancashire, England
Postal Code District: BL0
Death Date: 28 Feb 2003


If that's her, a good reason why Roger didn't marry Renee.

Sent you some info by PM

Please be careful how you use it

Mr
First name(s) Roger Igor Manfred Peter
Last name Rothwell
Sex Male
Age 59
Birth year 1949
Birth date 00/00/1949
Death year 2008
Death date 25 Jan 2008
Place Nottingham
Area Nottingham
Geo direction East Midlands
Postcode area NG
Postcode district NG7
Postcode sector NG7 6
County Nottinghamshire

ROGER I M P
Last name ROTHWELL
Birth year 1948
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Holmes
District Manchester
County Lancashire

A tree on Ancestry - which seems to have several photos of Renee - states that she 'did not marry'

However, that tree owner also says she had a second son named Roger, which is improbable.

That birth was in 1949 (NOT 1950 as you quote) and the MMN wasn't Holmes

That one is alleged to have died in 2003 in Suffolk - no record on FMP

Renee's death cert might prove useful The informant's details might be enlightening

The image of 1939 for Renee quotes a marriage date of 24/12/46, but I can't see anything to support that suggestion.

Roger A G's marriage - in Scotland

ROTHWELL
ROGER A G
SEY
ALICE GORDON
1941
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Craig