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ArgyllGran
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7 Nov 2020 15:33 |
It might depend on who the informant was for the birth certs, and whether or not they knew, or remembered in the heat of the moment, that Matilda had been born Howard.
But at least (re your oringinal question) we found that George Aspinall had only one wife, and her life story - or at least a snapshot every ten years.
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Angela
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7 Nov 2020 13:21 |
I now have the birth certificates for the 2 children Mary Beatrice Aspinall b24th Dec 1903 parents George Aspinall and Matilda Ann nee Howard George William Aspinall b25th Oct 1904 parents George John Aspinall and Matilda Ann Mercer All lived 7 Seymore Road Northfleet Kent Mary died 1904.
Thanks for your help I don't actually think I've answered my original question fully but who is to say what is in a persons mind when they decide to use different names?
I have joined Ancestry now though
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ArgyllGran
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6 Nov 2020 09:04 |
Assuming you mean England/Wales, the files of less than 0.2% of divorces after 1937 survive.
General info about finding divorce records here: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/divorce/
Ancestry has divorce records 1858-1918 for England/Wales.
The register of Scottish divorces from 1984 onwards is online at Scotlands People .website, as is the register of Dissolutions of a Civil Partnership from 2007 onwards..
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Angela
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6 Nov 2020 01:10 |
How on earth can I find info about a divorce whilst the searches say marriage and divorce not all divorces are showing up including mine !!
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ArgyllGran
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5 Nov 2020 09:25 |
The Mercers have been mistranscribed as Meteer on GR, as far as 1891 is concerned.
They're properly transcribed as Mercer in other censuses on GR.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Nov 2020 09:01 |
Just to add to Shirley's summary above -
in 1901 (posted above) Matilda was with her mother and stepfather and listed under his surname of Dalton .
So she was Howard at birth, Mercer in 1891, Dalton in 1901, and married as Howard.
Re searching for records on Genes - I don't think any of the helpers here on the boards use GR for research, although it's handy for recent Electoral Rolls searches, and many of us have trees on GR.
But for research we mainly use the subscription sites Ancestry and/or FindMyPast. We also use free sites such as FreeBMD, FamilySearch, and others.
GR's BMD and census records only cover England and Wales, so are very limited compared with other sites.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Nov 2020 08:03 |
Matilda is Annie Matilda Howard at birth registration the illegitimate daughter of Louisa Howard who married James Mercer after she was born
James died about a year after the marriage in 1886
Louisa remarried but seems Matilda ,as she was known, was with the mercer grandparents in 1891 .they seem to have accepted she was James daughter even though there’s no online records to confirm this
When Matilda married she used her birth surname
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Angela
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5 Nov 2020 01:13 |
Why can I not find the Mercer's of Northfleet in a census search on Genes Reunited?
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Angela
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4 Nov 2020 23:25 |
Thankyou all so much for the info. I searched and found a lot of what you have found like 1911 census for George and Matilda plus children. I looked into George Wiliiam b 1905 on census but birth info says b1904 4th quarter and mother Mercer then I found Mary Beatrice also b1904 1st Quarter mother Howard these birth certificates I have sent off for so we will soon know if they were the same year and who the Mother and Father were. Of course Mary was not in the 1911 census as she died prior to that. It still befuddles me why there are 2 different mothers names especailly for the first 2 children who were born so close together. I have only been using GR are any of you using other search programs? I looked for Matilda Howard but could not decide which one she was as I found a few have you any tips regarding that?
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ArgyllGran
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4 Nov 2020 13:32 |
Here's Matilda in 1901, with her mother and stepfather;
Matilda Dalton in the 1901 England Census Name: Matilda Dalton Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: William Dalton Mother: Louisa Dalton Birth Place: Northfleet, Kent, England Civil Parish: Northfleet Ecclesiastical parish: Perry Street All Saints County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Strood Sub-registration District: Northfleet ED, institution, or vessel: 09 Neighbors: Piece: 716 Folio: 88 Page Number: 6 Household Schedule Number: 34 Household Members: Name Age William Dalton 52 - District Council roadman Louisa Dalton 40 - Field worker Matilda Dalton 18 - field worker Florrie Dalton 4 Willie Dalton 3 Frederick Dalton 4/12 Frederick Dalton 30 - single, boarder, gardener, Northfleet
Half-siblings:
DALTON, FLORENCE EMILY mms HOWARD GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 538
DALTON, WILLIAM GEORGE mms HOWARD GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 582
DALTON, FREDERICK JAMES mms HOWARD GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 569
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ArgyllGran
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4 Nov 2020 13:27 |
GG posted a possible 1901 for Matilad.
However, I think that's this child - here in 1891 with her father and siblings, including sister Maria born in Bermondsey (Ada Maria in 1901).
Matilda Howard in the 1891 England Census Name: Matilda Howard Gender: Female Age: 9 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1882 Father: William Howard Mother: Susan Howard Birth Place: Greenwich, London, England Civil Parish: St George the Martyr Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene Residence Place: St George the Martyr, London, England Registration District: St Saviour Southwark Sub registration district: Kent Road ED, Institution or Vessel: 14 Neighbors: Piece: 345 Folio: 160 Household Members: Name Age William Howard 49 Susan Howard 4 Maria Howard 11 - Bermondsey Matilda Howard 9 Edwin Howard 5 Albert Howard 3
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 12:22 |
Looking at the possible marriage of Louisa Howard to James Mercer in 1885, posted by AG -
If Matilda was born before marriage then mother's maiden name would correctly be Howard, but whether James was her Father or not, she became known as Mercer. whilst living with the family. But then correctly married as Howard as that was her birth name.
Birth registration of her children - maybe the question of Mother's maiden name was not well phrased and led to the use of one or the other
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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4 Nov 2020 12:21 |
A tree on ancestry suggest she is the daughter of Louisa Howard born c1868 north fleet
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Marriages Jun 1885 Howard Louisa Strood 2a 769 MERCER James Strood 2a 769
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ArgyllGran
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4 Nov 2020 12:13 |
Matilda's birth:
HOWARD, ANNIE MATILDA - GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in NORTH AYLESFORD Volume 02A Page 507
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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4 Nov 2020 12:11 |
Not seeing a birth for her under either name
Seems like she may have been illegitimate and was with grandparents for a time
Who did she name as father on the marriage certificate
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 12:10 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Elizabeth Place, Northfleet, North Aylesford, Kent, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Mercer Head - Male 54 1817 - Kent, England Mary A Mercer Wife - Female 44 1827 - Kent, England James Mercer Son - Male 11 1860 - Kent, England Walter Mercer Son - Male 9 1862 - Kent, England George Mercer Son - Male 6 1865 - Kent, England John Mercer Son - Male 2 1869 - Kent, England Walter Mercer's Census Details Details taken from the original census record.
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ArgyllGran
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4 Nov 2020 12:10 |
Louisa Howard in 1881:
Louisa Howard in the 1881 England Census Name: Louisa Howard Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relationship to Head: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Northfleet, Kent, England Civil Parish: Northfleet County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: 1 Victoria Road Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: General Serv Registration District: North Aylesford ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 877 Folio: 77 Page Number: 7
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ArgyllGran
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4 Nov 2020 12:06 |
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Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%) Howard Louisa Strood 2a 769 MERCER James Strood 2a 769
Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%) DALTON William Strood 2a 885 MERCER Louisa Strood 2a 885
Louisa Dalton in the 1891 England Census Name: Louisa Dalton Gender: Female Age: 29 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1862 Spouse: William Dalton Birth Place: Northfleet, Kent, England Civil Parish: Northfleet Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Residence Place: Perry Street, Northfleet, Kent, England Registration District: Strood Sub registration district: Northfleet ED, Institution or Vessel: 7 Neighbors: Piece: 650 Folio: 46 Household Members: Name Age William Dalton 43 Louisa Dalton 29
James Mercer, son of the Matilda's grandparents ?? (see Matilda with them in 1891 above):
James Mercer in the 1881 England Census Name: James Mercer Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relationship to Head: Son Father: George Mercer Mother: Mary Mercer Gender: Male Where born: Northfleet, Kent, England Civil Parish: Northfleet County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: 17 Wycliffe Rd Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Cement Laborer Registration District: North Aylesford ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 877 Folio: 86 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age George Mercer 64 Mary Mercer 54 James Mercer 21 Walter Mercer 19 George Mercer 16 John Mercer 13
James's death ??:
James Mercer in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: James Mercer Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Registration Year: 1886 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 26 Registration District: Gravesend Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 265
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 11:57 |
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: ASPINALL, DAVID STEPHEN MERCER GRO Reference: 1917 S Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 968
ASPINALL, HENRY JOHN MERCER GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 1403 ASPINALL, WILLIAM ALBERT MERCER GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 1323
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 11:50 |
18 Cooper's Road, Northfleet, Northfleet U.D., Kent, England
Aspinall household (7 people) First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number George J Aspinall 19 Dec 1882 Male Storekeeper Warehousem Married 169 1 Matilda A Aspinall 07 Nov 1882 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 169 2 William A (H) Aspinall 15 Jun 1912 Male Salesman Grocery Single 169 3 Henry J Aspinall 15 ? 1914 Male Printing Machine Mind Single 169 4 David I Aspinall 19 May 1917 Male Maintenance & Loco Fitter Single 169 5 The record for this person is officially closed. The record for this person is officially closed.
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David I could well be David S on origianal
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