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AnnMarieG
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20 Mar 2021 13:11 |
Oops , at least I made you laugh. lol. x
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nameslessone
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20 Mar 2021 12:44 |
Had to read that twice..... still giggling at the typo :-D :-D
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AnnMarieG
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20 Mar 2021 10:25 |
BIG THANK YOU to nameslessone and ArgyllGran for all your help. xx
Edited lol
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AnnMarieG
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18 Mar 2021 17:57 |
ArgllGran, Yes I have the marriage cert and she is classed as a widow.
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18 Mar 2021 17:40 |
Well, if that's the right George at 4 Manor Road, he was still alive in 1963, if not later.
Perhaps Alice divorced him? Or had him decared dead if she hadn't had any sign of him for years?
Or else that's not him at 4 Manor Road.
Do you have the 1953 marriage cert to see what her marital status was?
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AnnMarieG
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18 Mar 2021 17:32 |
ArgyllGran, Wow thank you. It seems to fit that this is my grandad, eg, age, occupation etc.BUT, That has thrown up a curve ball.
As a child I lived next door to my nan and her partner who I called 'Uncle Harry' .(You didnt ask questions when you were little lol.) In 1953 she married the said Harry so I presumed her husband (George Tucker) had died although how she would have found out I do not know. :-S
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ArgyllGran
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18 Mar 2021 16:28 |
The 1939 man in 1938 - witih the Rudges: Can't say if this is definitely your grandfather or not, of course.
George Henry Tucker in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: George Henry Tucker Electoral Date: 1938 Street Address: 4 Manor Road Ward or Division/Constituency: Hayes County or Borough: Uxbridge, England Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0661
Nobody else of voting age named Tucker at that address - ie - no wife, although he's listed as married in 1939 Register.
He's still at that address in 1945 - with the Rudges, and peter & Ivy Bade:
:George H Tucker in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: George H Tucker Electoral Date: 1945 Street Address: 4 Manor Road Ward or Division/Constituency: Hayes County or Borough: Finchley, England
And still there in 1949.
and in 1951, with the Rudges, Bades, and Charles Blower.
George H Tucker in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: George H Tucker Electoral Date: 1951 Street Address: 4 Ward or Division/Constituency: Hayes and Harlington North County or Borough: Hayes and Harlington, England
And 1959:
George H Tucker in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: George H Tucker Electoral Date: 1959 Street Address: 4 Manor Road Ward or Division/Constituency: Hayes and Harlington South County or Borough: Hayes and Harlington, England Reference Number: MR/PER/C/1026
And 1963, with Rudges:
George H Tucker in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: George H Tucker Electoral Date: 1963 Street Address: 4 Hesa Road [Manor Road on image ] Ward or Division/Constituency: Hayes and Harlington South County or Borough: Hayes and Harlington, England Reference Number: MR/PER/C/1126
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ArgyllGran
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18 Mar 2021 16:05 |
Working backwards in hope of then working forwards -
Births Mar 1913 (>99%) Tucker George H Robertson Willesden 3a 533
Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%) ROBERTSON Alice St. Saviour 1d 361 Tucker George Henry St. Saviour 1d 361
George Henry Tucker in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: George Henry Tucker Gender: Male Marriage Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1878 Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1899 Marriage Place: Walworth Common, Southwark, England Father: George William Tucker Spouse: Alice Robertson Register Type: Parish Register
??? George H. Tucker in the 1881 England Census Name: George H. Tucker Relationship to Head: Son Father: George W. Tucker Mother: Sevena A.Or Serena Tucker Gender: Male Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Camberwell County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 28 Mawbey Rd Education: Employment status: View image Registration District: Camberwell Sub registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Neighbors: Piece: 700 Folio: 49 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age George W. Tucker 34 Sevena A.Or Serena Tucker 32 Charles W. Tucker 9 Catharine A. Tucker 7 Florina E. Tucker 3 George H. Tucker William Pettinger 19 Jane Bradshaw 56 John Lord 29
George Tucker in the 1891 England Census Name: George Tucker Gender: Male Age: 11 Relationship: Son Birth Year: 1880 Father: George Tucker Mother: Selina Tucker Birth Place: Camberwell, London, England Civil Parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips Residence Place: Camberwell, London, England Registration District: Camberwell Sub registration district: St George ED, Institution or Vessel: 29 Neighbors: Piece: 493 Folio: 67 Household Members: Name Age George Tucker 43 Selina Tucker 41 Florence Tucker 13 George Tucker 11 Rose Tucker 8 Constance Tucker 7 Annie Tucker 5 Jessie Tucker 2
Ancestry suggests this might be him in 1939:
George H Tucker in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: George H Tucker Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 21 Jun 1880 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 4 Manor Rd Residence Place: Hayes and Harlington, Middlesex, England Occupation: Bootmaker Heavyworker Line Number: 9 Schedule Number: 199 Sub Schedule Number: 7 Enumeration District: BJCA Borough: Hayes and Harlington Registration district: 127/2 Household Members Age Florence Rudge 50 Arthur T Rudge 24 [ Arthur J on image ] [4 closed records ] George H Tucker 59
The DOB of the man in 1939 above would fit the birth reg of the George in the censuses:
TUCKER, GEORGE HENRY mmn COOK GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 878
Parents' marriage:
Levena Cooke in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Levena Cooke Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Marriage Date: 14 Dec 1870 Marriage Place: Lambeth, Surrey, England Father: Henry William Cooke Spouse: George William Tucker FHL Film Number: 1041659 Reference ID: p 21 cn 42
Unfortunately there are lots of deaths for men named George H Tucker, of the right YOB.
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Maddie
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18 Mar 2021 15:41 |
Alice Eliza Last name Arthur Death year 1953 Death date 03 Sep 1953 Probate year 1953 Probate date 17 Oct 1953 Residence town - Registry London County Essex Country England Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
to Name: Marie Georgina F J Tucker
Name: Marie Georgina F J Tucker Death Age: 83 Birth Date: 15 Apr 1912 Registration Date: Jan 1996 Registration District: Brentwood Inferred County: Essex
Name: Maria G Tucker Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 15 Apr 1912 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 327 Residence Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England Occupation: Domestic Duties Line Number: 37 Schedule Number: 56 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: BXHR Borough: Willesden Registration district: 129-2 Inferred Spouse: George H Tucker Inferred Children: Antony A Tucker Household Members
Name: George H Tucker Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 3 Jan 1919 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 327 Residence Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England Occupation: Chauffeur Line Number: 36
Name: George Henry Tucker Death Age: 67 Birth Date: 3 Jan 1913 Registration Date: Jul 1980 [Aug 1980] [Sep 1980] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Brentwood Inferred County: Essex
Name: George Henry Tucker Baptism Age: 2 Record Type: Baptism Birth Date: 3 Jan 1913 Baptism Date: 27 Oct 1915 Baptism Place: England, St Luke the Evangelist, West Kilburn, Westminster Father: George Henry Tucker Mother: Alice Tucker Schedule Number: 56 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: BXHR Borough: Willesden Registration district: 129-2
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AnnMarieG
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18 Mar 2021 15:04 |
ArgyllGran,
I have both marriage certs. I enquired at the Kew offices many years ago about this and the explanation I got was that the first marriage was not given the permission of his commanding officer so they had to go through with a second one.
I have never been able to confirm or deny this.
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ArgyllGran
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18 Mar 2021 14:51 |
Is this coincidence?? Or two marriage registrations for some reason?
Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%) Arthur Archibald Islington 1b 526 King Alice Eliza Islington 1b 526
Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%) ARTHUR Archibald W. Ham 4a 629 KING Alice Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 629
Looks like the 1908 couple:
Archibald Arthur in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911 Name: Archibald Arthur Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911 House Number: 9 Townland/Street: Military Barracks District: Newbridge Urban County: Kildare Country: Ireland Electoral District: Newbridge Urban Relationship: Head URL: Household Members Age Relationship Archibald Arthur [no age or birthplace given ] Head Alice Elizabeth Arthur 28 Wife - England
He was a corporal with the Army Service Corps - but your grandfather was also in the ASC..
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ArgyllGran
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18 Mar 2021 14:38 |
More ER results:
Archibald and Alice Eliza are also together at the same address in 1921.
Slightly odd in both 1921 and 1923 - probably it's just the way the address has been typed, on two lines - but against Alice's name it says 10 Star Cottages, and against Archibald's it says Burwood Road.
If following the same pattern as for other married couples on the ER, one would expect either "10 Star Cottages, Burwood Road" against each name, or else the address for the first one and "Do." for the other partner. But it's likely just the way it's been typed.
Archibald and Androniki are at 26 Cardinals Walk, Hampton in 1961, as well as in the 50's.
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AnnMarieG
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18 Mar 2021 13:00 |
nameslessone, Thank you so much for the 1923 ER. I thought my Nan came back to Essex straight after the war. More intrigue.
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AnnMarieG
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18 Mar 2021 12:47 |
ArgyllGran, of course, thank you. Foggy brain today lol.
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ArgyllGran
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18 Mar 2021 12:42 |
ER means Electoral Roll
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nameslessone
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18 Mar 2021 12:39 |
A bunch of death certs might help.
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AnnMarieG
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18 Mar 2021 12:39 |
nameslessone, That George Henry Tucker is right as he is my dad.
Sorry being thick but what does ER mean.
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AnnMarieG
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18 Mar 2021 12:35 |
I found his grave and found out that he had been living in Twickenham in the 50's.I dont know who this Androniki was or Fataini only that I believe they were of Greek origin so presumed he met them and came back to England with him. Androniki is listed as being his wife but as far as I know he was not divorced from my nan.(wife in name only.lol )
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nameslessone
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18 Mar 2021 12:33 |
AmG we crossed.
It was on Ancestry as were the ER's mentioned.
I wonder if Fatini was connected to Androniki.
Edit: I have just read through the old thread. Hampton & Twickenham are side by side in Middlesex. So the Archibald/Androniki ER is likely to be correct.
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ArgyllGran
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18 Mar 2021 12:32 |
A previous post by AnnMarieG about Fatini:
https://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1206825
Further info copied from that thread:
"my grandad [Archibald Arthur ] was in the army and my nan,grandad and my mum lived in malta until 1914 when my nan and mum came back to england but my grandad didnt."
Did you ever send for Fatini's death cert, AnnMarie?
As you said Fatini and Archibald were friends in the same care home, perhaps her name is on his stone because she had no family to erect a stone on her actual grave, ??
ADDED: However, you're not asking about her on this thread!
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