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ArgyllGran
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29 Mar 2021 12:17 |
Re the illegitimate child Fred , aged 1 on the 1891 census, with Susan (posted on page 1) .
Posting his birth again for ease of reference:
BASTARD, FREDERICK EDWARD GEORGE PAWLEY - GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 43
He's Pawley in 1901, because his mother Susan married George Pawley - so presumably, in view of of his middle name, his father was George Pawley:
Susan Pawley in the 1901 England Census Name: Susan Pawley Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: George Pawley Birth Place: St Germans, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Landrake and St Erney Ecclesiastical parish: Landrake St Erney Town: Landrake County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address: Registration District: St Germans Sub-registration District: Saltash ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: Piece: 2189 Folio: 18 Page Number: 9 Household Schedule Number: 69 Household Members: Name Age George Pawley Susan Pawley 46 Frederick G Pawley 11 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Stanley H E Pawley 8 Elizabeth E Pawley 6
Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%) Bastard Susan St Germans 5c 77 Pawley George St.Germans 5c 77
He remains Pawley (and with the middle names) in his Royal Navy record 1909-1910; and in 1911 census (waggoner, and farm work).
He joined the Lancashire Hussars Yeomanry in 1914. 1917, transferred to 18th Battalion, King's Liverpool Regiment. 21/03/1918 - POW in Germany. Released 19/12/1918/
Sallow complexion, grey eyes, brown hair. Height: 5' 7"
There's a possible marriage in Surrey in February 1918 (a solder, with no middle names, but father's name George ), and death in Surrey in 1945 - but again no middle names. Aged 25 at marriage, and 54 at death.
His army record doesn't detail any leave in Feb 1918, so not sure if this can be him or not.
However, the only other Frederick Pawleys I can see were two born in 1892 - one in Leicestershire, with no middle names, but his father was also Frederick, and he died in 1907. The other (with middle names Henry G R) was born in Rochford, Essex, with father Frederick, and he died in 1925.
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29 Mar 2021 10:25 |
Depends what newspaper article you're looking for, Laura.
Hardly any of the helpers here use GR for research, though the ERs are useful.
Tell us what you're looking for, and I'm sure someone will be able to help.
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28 Mar 2021 22:39 |
Oh Thankyou for searching this.. that would make sense....
I think I will track down the possible fathers of his brothers though see if can find a connection to their mother... been such a mystery for soo long... I can’t not look into this further...
Can the rest of you See the newspaper articles on this site or is it just me that can’t?
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ArgyllGran
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28 Mar 2021 10:11 |
I don't think you'll ever know William Theodore Bastard/Besterd/Basford's father's name.
He may have been named after Susan's brother Theodore, who seems to disappear from records after 1861 - maybe died?:
Susannah Brunona Basterd in the 1861 England Census Name: Susannah Brunona Basterd [Susannah Brunona Bastard] Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: 1858 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Basterd Mother's Name: Susannah Basterd Gender: Female Where born: Hessenford, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St German Ecclesiastical parish: Hessenford County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: St Germans Sub-registration District: St Germans ED, institution, or vessel: 4c Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 14 Piece: 1524 Folio: 55 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age William Basterd 39 Susannah Basterd 39 Martha Ann Basterd 10 Theodore Basterd 8 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< William Henry Basterd 6 Susannah Brunona Basterd 3 Joseph James Basterd 3/12
Birth:
BASTARD, THEODORE mmn HORTOP GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in ST GERMANS UNION Volume 05C Page 48
Theodore Bastard in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Theodore Bastard Gender: Male Baptism Date: 6 Jun 1852 Baptism Place: Hessenford, Cornwall, England Father: William Bastard Mother: Susan Bastard FHL Film Number: 1595568 Reference ID: item 4 p 58
The brother Joseph died in 1863:
BASTARD, JOSEPH 2 GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in ST GERMANS UNION Volume 05C Page 33
Her other brother Wiliam Henry survived to adulthood:
William H Bastard in the 1871 England Census Name: William H Bastard Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: 1854 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: St Germans Cornwall England Civil parish: St Martin County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration district: Liskeard Sub-registration district: Looe ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 5 Piece: 2243 Folio: 36 Page number: 2
He's in all the later censuses , with various spellings of the surname - or at least different transcriptions on Ancestry - Bustard/Bestard/Bastard /Bartard. He married and had several children - and died in 1935:
William H Bostard in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: William H Bostard Death Age: 81 Birth Date: abt 1854 Registration Date: Jul 1935 [Aug 1935] [Sep 1935] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: St Germans Inferred County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 33
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Laura
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28 Mar 2021 00:22 |
Thankyou soo much. Trying to keep up...
Think I’m going to hunt down Theodores in st Germans next ??
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27 Mar 2021 23:51 |
???
Day Month 06-Oct Year 1803 Parish Circuit Or Chapel Lesnewth Groom Fn Henry Groom Sn BASTARD Groom Age Groom Residence sojurner Groom Condition Groom Rank Profession Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M Groom Father Name Groom Father Rank Profession Bride Fn Ann Bride Sn BETTISON Bride Age Bride Residence sojurner Bride Condition Bride Rank Profession Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M Bride Father Name Bride Father Rank Profession Banns / Licence (B/L) B Witness Fn1 Samuel Witness Sn1 Langford Witness Fn2 John Witness Sn2 Elson Other Information Transcriber Notes Transcriber Mike Gabriel
sojurner (temporary resident)
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27 Mar 2021 23:46 |
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Hessenford, St German, St Germans, Cornwall, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Henry Bastard Male 60 1781 Cornwall, England Ag. Lab Ann Bastard Female 55 1786 Cornwall, England Nicholas Hore Male 25 1816 Cornwall, England Jane Hore Female 20 1821 Cornwall, England Henry Hore Male 20 1821 Cornwall, England Henry Hore Male 1 1840 Cornwall, England James Pengally Male 8 1833 Cornwall, England
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27 Mar 2021 23:37 |
Day Month 14-Jun Year 1887 Parish Circuit Or Chapel Landrake Forename James Henry Surname BASTARD Sex Age Or Date Of Birth Father Forename Mother Forename Susan Residence Landrake Churchtown Parish Status Or Occupation Single woman Where Baptised Notes Transcriber Notes Transcriber Angela Wood
------------- Day Month 12-Jun Year 1889 Parish Circuit Or Chapel Landrake Forename Frederick Edward George Surname BASTARD Sex Age Or Date Of Birth Father Forename Mother Forename Susan Residence Landrake Churchtown Parish Status Or Occupation Single woman Where Baptised Notes Private Transcriber Notes Transcriber Angela Wood
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27 Mar 2021 23:34 |
https://cornwall-opc-database.org
Day Month 19-Feb Year 1884 Parish Circuit Or Chapel Landrake with St. Erney Forename William Theodore Surname BASTARD Sex Age Or Date Of Birth Father Forename Mother Forename Susan Residence Landrake Church Town Parish Status Or Occupation Single Woman Where Baptised Notes Transcriber Notes Transcriber Angela Wood
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27 Mar 2021 23:28 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1850 (>99%) Bastard William St Germans 9 121 <<<<<<<<< Crossman Joanna St Germans 9 121 Hortop Susannah St Germans 9 121 <<<<<<<< Trevethan Isaac St Germans 9 121
------------------------------ 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Hessenford, St Germans, Cornwall, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Bastard Head Widower Male 75 1776 Ag Lab Kingsbridge, Devon, England William Bastard Husband Married Male 26 1825 Ag Lab St Germans, Cornwall, England Susan Bastard Wife Married Female 27 1824 - Talland, Cornwall, England Martha Bastard Daughter - Female 0 1851 - St Germans, Cornwall, England
---------------------- BASTARD, MARTHA ANN HARTOP GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in ST GERMANS UNION Volume 09 Page 115
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ArgyllGran
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27 Mar 2021 23:28 |
GRO now working.
Three illegitimate births_
BASTARD, ALBERT EDWARD CLATWORTHY - GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 38
BASTARD, FREDERICK EDWARD GEORGE PAWLEY - GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 43
BASTARD, JAMES HENRY - GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in ST.GERMANS Volume 05C Page 44
Albert Edward may be a son of Bessie/Elizabeth.
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27 Mar 2021 23:23 |
the 2 births that AG posted - from GRO
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: BASTARD, FREDERICK EDWARD GEORGE PAWLEY - GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 43
BASTARD, WILLIAM HENRY CROSSMAN GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 33
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greyghost
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27 Mar 2021 23:20 |
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: BASTARD, SUSANNA PENINAH HARTOP GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 46
BASTARD, ELIZABETH ANN HARTOP GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 53
BASTARD, MARY KITTY HARTOP GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 50
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ArgyllGran
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27 Mar 2021 23:15 |
Possible births of the grandsons in 1891 census above:
Births Jun 1887 (>99%) Bastard William Henry St. Germans 5c 33
Births Jun 1889 (>99%) Bastard Frederick Edward G P St. Germans 5c 43
Can't get GRO site to work at the moment (keeps giving me an error message ) , so don't know if these are more illegitimate children of Susan or not.
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27 Mar 2021 23:11 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%) BASTARD William St. Germans 5c 63 Lord Anne St. Germans 5c 63
He didn't wait long to remarry -
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Sep 1866 (>99%) Bastard Susan 41 St. Germans 5c 27
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greyghost
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27 Mar 2021 23:09 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Pillaton Village, Pillaton, St Germans, Cornwall, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas V Pearce Head Married Male 35 1846 Master Carpenter Empl 1 Man & 2 Boys Pillaton, Cornwall, England Ann T Pearce Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Landulph, Cornwall, England John T Pearce Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Pillaton, Cornwall, England Florence Pearce Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Pillaton, Cornwall, England Rosina Pearce Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Pillaton, Cornwall, England Olive A Pearce Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Pillaton, Cornwall, England Horace C Pearce Daughter Single Male 1 1880 - Pillaton, Cornwall, England Susan Bastard Servant Single Female 25 1856 Domestic Servant St Germans, Cornwall, England <<<<<<<
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Laura
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27 Mar 2021 23:09 |
Wow this is all amazing !!!! Thankyou soo much <3 <3 <3
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ArgyllGran
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27 Mar 2021 23:07 |
Susan Bestard in the 1891 England Census Name: Susan Bestard Gender: Female Age: 33 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1858 Father: William Bestard Child: Henry Bestard Fred Bestard Birth Place: St Germans, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Landrake with St Erney Ecclesiastical parish: Landrake Residence Place: Landrake, Landrake with St Erney, Cornwall, England Registration District: St Germans Sub registration district: Saltash ED, Institution or Vessel: 2 Neighbors: Piece: 1808 Folio: 16 Household Members: Name Age William Bestard 67 Susan Bestard 33 Henry Bestard 4 - grandson Fred Bestard 1 - grandson
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27 Mar 2021 23:06 |
Elizabeth and Mary are probably sisters living with parents William and Ann in 1871 in St Germans (EDIT - plus Susan)
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Narkurs, St German, St Germans, Cornwall, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Bastard Head - Male 47 1824 - Cornwall, England Ann Bastard Wife - Female 50 1821 - Devon, England William Lord Step-Son - Male 23 1848 - Devon, England John Lord Step-Son - Male 20 1851 - Devon, England Susan Bastard Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Cornwall, England<<<<<<< Elizabeth Bastard Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Cornwall, England Mary Bastard Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Cornwall, England
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27 Mar 2021 23:04 |
His birth certificate would name his Mother
In 1881 there are these Bastard families in Landrake -
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Landrake Village, Landrake with St Erney, St Germans, Cornwall, England . First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Bastard Head Widower Male 55 1826 Ag. Lab. St Germans, Cornwall, England Mary Bastard Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Ag. Lab. Daur St Germans, Cornwall, England
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Landrake Village, Landrake with St Erney, St Germans, Cornwall, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Panter Head Married Male 45 1836 Farmer Of 136 Ac. Emplg. 3 Lab & 1 Boy Landrake, Cornwall, England Mary P Panter Wife Married Female 44 1837 Farmers Wife Landrake, Cornwall, England Hannah R J Panter Daughter Single Female 28 1853 Farmers Daur Landrake, Cornwall, England John P B Panter Son Single Male 16 1865 Farmers Son Landrake, Cornwall, England Minnie M Jones Visitor Single Female 10 1871 No Occ. Landrake, Cornwall, England Elizabeth Bastard Servant Single Female 17 1864 Serv. Domestic St Germans, Cornwall, England
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