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6 Apr 2021 17:17 |
a bit of luck :-)
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ArgyllGran
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6 Apr 2021 15:46 |
Well found, Maddie!
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6 Apr 2021 13:54 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Marathon Terrace, Crescent Roadway, Conchan, Isle of Man
First name(s) Ame A Last name Anderton Relationship Head Marital status Widow Sex Female Age 37 Birth year 1854 Birth town - Birth town as transcribed BARBADOES Birth county - Birth place - Occupation Living On Own Means House name Marathon Terrace Street Crescent Roadway Town Douglas Parish Conchan City - County Isle of Man Country Isle of Man Registration district Isle of Man Archive reference RG12 Piece number 4689 Folio 130 Page 19
cannot see a death record
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6 Apr 2021 13:42 |
the nephew Name: John Henry Rocca Saville Gender: Male Birth Date: 18 Apr 1891 Baptism Date: 15 Oct 1891 Baptism Place: Stand, Lancashire, England Father: John George Saville Mother: Ethel FHL Film Number: 1751505 Reference ID: item 4 p 68
Name: John Henry Rocca Saville Death Date: 21 Jan 1945 Death Place: Queensland Father's Name: John George Mother's Name: Ethel Hull Registration Year: 1945 Registration Place: Queensland Registration Number: B000335 Page Number: 1999
John Henry Rocca Saville Marriage Date: 21 Oct 1911 Marriage Place: Braddan, Isle of Man Spouse: Margaret Alice Sutherland Biography: Married: Margaret Alice Sutherland. Groom's marital status: bachelor. Groom's father: John George Saville. Groom's mother: not stated. Bride's marital status: spinster. Bride's father: Alfred David Sutherland. Bride's mother: not stated. (MS10874-1-2)
Name: John Henry Rocca Saville Gender: Male Age: 24 Birth Year: abt 1890 Birth Place: Manchester, England Dossier Year Range: 1914-1920 Enlistment Place: Brisbane, Queensland Service Number: 6430 Spouse: Margaret Alice Saville
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Valarie Frances Saville 1913–1992 Birth 14 MAY 1913 Death 30 SEP 1992 • Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
marriage 1937 • Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Albert Francis Hall
(1908–1977)
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6 Apr 2021 13:28 |
Record Transcription: 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Marathon Terrace, Douglas, Onchan, Isle of Man elationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Anne A K Anderton Head Widow Female 43 1858 Living On Own Means West Indies John G Saville Brother Widower Male 45 1856 Physician & Surgeon England John H R Saville Nephew - Male 9 1892 - England Clara A Kneale Servant Single Female 18 1883 Servant Domestic Douglas, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Name: John George Saville Age: 62 Years Birth Year: abt 1848 Burial Date: 24 May 1910 Burial Place: Onchan, Isle of Man Biography: 62 years
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ArgyllGran
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5 Apr 2021 18:11 |
She's not with her husband in 1891, although he's listed as married:
James T Anderton in the 1891 England Census Name: James T Anderton Gender: Male Age: 61 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1830 Child: Maud F Anderton Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: North Meols Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Residence Place: Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England Registration District: Ormskirk Sub registration district: North Meols ED, Institution or Vessel: 16 Neighbors: Piece: 3036 Folio: 50 Household Members: Name Age James T Anderton 61 - retired surgeon [ James P on image ] Maud F Anderton 22 Jane W Srenalion 24 James W Srenalion 2 Helen Rimmer 22 Elizabeth Mercer 24
James P was a widower in 1881, as his first wife Sarah Frances died in 1880
James died in 1896 in Denbighshire. Probate to his daughter Jane Wilkinson Trevalion, wife of Frank Wilkinson Trevalion.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Apr 2021 17:52 |
Dr Saville's other sister Annie A K Saville was born in Barbados, per 1871 census on page 1.
Anne Amelia Knox Saville in the Barbados, Church Records, 1637-1849 Name: Anne Amelia Knox [Anne Amelia Knox Saville] Gender: Female Event Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 28 Nov 1845 Baptism Place: St Michael, Barbados Father: Henry Saville Mother: Anne Saville FHL Film Number: 004934434
With her widowed mother in 1911: Amelia Saville in the 1881 England Census Name: Amelia Saville Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relationship to Head: Daughter Mother: Anne Saville Gender: Female Where born: Barbados Civil Parish: Crumpsall County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Cleveland Road Thorn Bank Education: Employment status: View image Registration District: Prestwich ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: Piece: 4026 Folio: 82 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Anne Saville 58 Amelia Saville 32 Fredk. Hall 29
Her marriage:
Anne Amelia K Saville in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Anne Amelia K Saville Registration Year: 1881 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Prestwich Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 463 Records on Page: Name James Parkinson Anderton Anne Amelia K Saville
I don't see her after that.
No children, as far as I can see.
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5 Apr 2021 17:28 |
Henrietta's daughter Annie died unmarried:
Annie Saville Ashley in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Annie Saville Ashley Death Age: 89 Birth Date: 31 Aug 1895 Registration Date: Jan 1985 Registration District: Colwyn Inferred County: Clwyd Volume: 24 Page: 154
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5 Apr 2021 17:26 |
Henrietta's son William Saville Ashley was a temporary Probationary Flight Officer in 1917:
William Saville Ashley in the UK, Navy Lists, 1888-1970 Name: William Saville Ashley Year: 1917 Book Title: Navy List: August, 19178
William Saville Ashley in the Great Britain, Royal Aero Club Aviators’ Certificates, 1910-1950 Name: William Saville Ashley Birth Date: 4 Mar 1899 Birth Location: Manchester
I don't see him in 1939.
William Saville Ashley in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 Name: William Saville Ashley Death Date: 27 Feb 1951 Death Place: Cheshire, England Probate Date: 27 Aug 1951 Probate Registry: Manchester, Chester, England Probate to District Bank Ltd and John Mason , incorporated accountant.
I don't see any definite sign of a marriage.
NOT this one - this man was born in 1909, per 1939 register - .
Marriages Sep 1935 (>99%) Ashley William S Norris Manchester N. 8d 1397 Norris Annie Ashley Manchester N. 8d 1397
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5 Apr 2021 17:05 |
Dr Saville's sister Henrietta is on 1871 census on page 1.
1881:
Henrietta H.O. Saville in the 1881 England Census Name: Henrietta H.O. Saville Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relationship to Head: Sister Gender: Female Where born: Gillingham, Kent, England Civil Parish: Radcliffe County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 50 Water Lane St Education: Employment status: View image Registration District: Bury Sub registration district: Radcliffe ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: Piece: 3870 Folio: 32 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age John G. Saville 33 Mary J. Laing 31 Bessie H. Saville 23 Henrietta H.O. Saville 21 Elizabeth Wilcox 24 Israel Greenhalgh 23
Henrietta Helen O Saville in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Henrietta Helen O Saville Registration Year: 1892 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Prestwich Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 461 Records on Page: Name Charles Ashley Henrietta Helen O Saville
They had three children.
Henrietta H O Ashley in the 1901 England Census Name: Henrietta H O Ashley Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Charles Ashley Birth Place: Chatham, Kent, England Civil Parish: North Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Prestwich Sub-registration District: Cheetham ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: Piece: 3769 Folio: 31 Page Number: 45 Household Schedule Number: 291 Household Members: Name Age Charles Ashley 41 Henrietta H O Ashley 41 Charles S Ashley 6 Annie S Ashley 5 William S Ashley 2 Frances Locke 15
Hanrietta Helen Alian Ashley in the 1911 England Census Name: Hanrietta Helen Alian Ashley Age in 1911: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Chatham, Hart Civil Parish: Heaton Norris Country: England Street Address: 2 Shawfield Rd, Heaton Many Marital status: Married Registration District Number: 443 Sub-registration District: Heaton Norris ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Piece: 21424 Household Members: Name Age Charles Ashley 50 Hanrietta Helen Alian Ashley 50 Charles Saville Ashley 16 Annies Saville Ashley [ scored out on image ] William Ashley 12 Ethel Mary Mitchell 18
Sadly, their son Charles died in 1917:
Charles Saville Ashley in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 Name: Charles Saville Ashley Birth Place: Salford, Lancs Residence: Heaton Mersey, Lancs Death Date: 6 Sep 1917 Death Place: France and Flanders Enlistment Place: Manchester Rank: Private Regiment: Manchester Regiment Battalion: 1st 6th Battalion Regimental Number: 250328 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Unmarried. Probate to his father:
Charles Saville Ashley in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 Name: Charles Saville Ashley Death Date: 6 Sep 1917 Death Place: Manchester, England Probate Date: 9 Jan 1918 Probate Registry: Manchester, England
And his effects to go to his father:
Charles Seville Ashley in the UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929 Name: Charles Seville Ashley Gender: Male Death Date: 6 Sep 1917 Death Place: Belgium Rank: Private Regiment: Manchester Regiment Regimental Number: 250328
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ArgyllGran
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5 Apr 2021 16:54 |
Just posting because it came up:
John Alexander Calder in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave Index, 1300s-Current Name: John Alexander Calder Birth Date: 20 Oct 1889 Birth Place: Broughty Ferry, Dundee City, Scotland Death Date: 28 Sep 1974 Cemetery: Grange Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Edinburgh, City of Edinburgh, Scotland Has Bio?: Y Father: Robert Calder Mother: May Drummond Calder
John A Calder in the 1901 Scotland Census Name: John A Calder Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Robert Calder Mother's Name: May D Calder Gender: Male Where born: broty ferry, Forfarshire [ Broughty Ferry ] Registration Number: 310 Registration district: Monifieth Civil parish: Monifieth County: Angus Address: 6 Fintry Pl Occupation: Scholar ED: 8 Household schedule number: 86 Line: 22 Roll: CSSCT1901_111 Household Members Age Relationship Robert Calder 62 Head May D Calder 47 Wife John A Calder 11 Son Jean M Calder 10 Daur (Daughter) Robert Calder 9 Son William G Calder 6 Son Martha M Auldie 36 Serv (Servant) Helen C Gibb 18 Serv (Servant)
Photos of him here:
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp80178/sir-john-alexander-calder
.CHANCERY OF THE ORDER OF SAINT MICHAEL AND SAINT GEORGE.ist January, 1947. The KING has been graciously pleased to give directions for the following promotions in, and appointments . . . . . . .To be Members of the Second Class, or KnightsCommanders, of the said Most Dis-tinguished Order:— John Alexander CALDER, Esq., C.M.G., SeniorCrown Agent for the Colonies.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/37835/supplement/5/data.pdf
And there's lots of other stuff about him.
However, as regards the silverplate tray - perhaps we need to look next for descendants of Dr Saville's siblings.
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5 Apr 2021 16:51 |
There is a tree on Ancestry (Hall - kylie 639) which shows a line of descendants of the brother John.
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ErikaH
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5 Apr 2021 16:18 |
As you will have seen from the info posted, it doesn't appear that he had any legitimate children, so no direct descendants.
Already posted, but perhaps not noticed.................. Marriages Dec 1966 (>99%) CALDER JOHN A SAVILLE BRIDGE 5F 199 SAVILLE MARY E CALDER BRIDGE 5F 199
The registration district 'Bridge' is in KENT
Deaths Dec 1978 (>99%) CALDER MARY ELLEN (LADY) 27FE1898 SOUTHEND/S 9 2690
Deaths Sep 1974 (>99%) CALDER JOHN ALEXANDER 20OC1889 SURREY S W 17 1256
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Geoffrey
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5 Apr 2021 16:02 |
Let me start again.
For many years I have had a silverplate tray inscribed: Presented to _ Dr H W SAVILLE _ by his fellow practitioners at Radcliffe _ ON HIS RETIREMENT _ after many years of much appreciated work _ IN THEIR INTERESTS _ September 1929.
I had assumed that the Radcliffe mentioned was in Notts., because I was told that his family was associated with Rufford Abbey, which is indeed in that county.
I have no direct connecion with the Savilles/Saviles The tray was originally given to me by one Lady Mary Calder, as I remember it, who was a friend of my old-maid aunt. It is possible that Lady Mary was actually the widow of doctor Saville, who later re-married well.
Since I am approaching 90 it seemed to me appropriate to find a direct descendant of the doctor who would appreciate the tray as a family heirloom. I have no idea how to make a decision should there be 50 applicants - which is why I approached the question in so vague a way. Perhaps I should never have started!
Geoff JB.
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ArgyllGran
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4 Apr 2021 15:00 |
With that in mind - this looks like Mary Ellen:
Mary Ellen Taylor in the Manchester, England, Non-Conformist Births and Baptisms, 1758-1912 Name: Mary Ellen Taylor Gender: Female Birth Date: 27 Feb 1898 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Birth Place: Manchester, England Baptism Date: 10 Apr 1898 Baptism Place: Radcliffe, Manchester, England Church: Presbyterian Congregational Church Father Name: Geoffrey Mother Name: Ellen Ann
Mary Ellen Tayler in the 1901 England Census Name: Mary Ellen Tayler Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: Geoffrey Tayler Mother: Ellen Ann Tayler Birth Place: Radcliffe, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Radcliffe Ecclesiastical parish: St Batholomew Town: Radcliffe County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Bury Sub-registration District: Radcliffe ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: Piece: 3649 Folio: 113 Page Number: 1 Household Schedule Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Geoffrey Tayler 26 Ellen Ann Tayler 25 Mary Ellen Tayler 3 Harry Tayler 1
Mary Ellon Taylor in the 1911 England Census Name: Mary Ellon Taylor Age in 1911: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Radcliffe, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Radcliffe Country: England Street Address: 285 Lever St Radcliffe Lanc Occupation: Cotton Weaver Registration District Number: 462 Sub-registration District: Radcliffe ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Piece: 23538 Household Members: Name Age Geoffrey Taylor 36 Ellen Ann Taylor 35 Mary Ellon Taylor 13 Harry Taylor 11
Mary Ellen's birth:
TAYLOR, MARY ELLEN mmn WRIGHT GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in BURY LANCASHIRE Volume 08C Page 615
Geoffrey Taylor in the Manchester, England, Non-Conformist Marriages, 1758-1937 Name: Geoffrey Taylor Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1875 Marriage Age: 22 Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1897 Marriage Place: Radcliffe, Manchester, England Church: Presbyterian Congregational Church Father Name: John Taylor Spouse Name: Ellen Ann Wright Spouse Marriage Age: 22 Spouse Father Name: Henry Wright
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ArgyllGran
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4 Apr 2021 14:55 |
Geoff -
how sure are you about it being Radcliffe, Notts?
The man we've been following was in Radcliffe, Lancs.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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4 Apr 2021 13:52 |
. ? Mary Ellen Glady Calder Death Age: 80 Birth Date: 27 Feb 1898 Registration Date: Oct 1978 [Nov 1978] [Dec 1978] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Southend on Sea Inferred County: Essex Volume: 9 Page: 2690
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4 Apr 2021 13:49 |
Wife possibly
46 Hill Rise, Chorleywood, Chorleywood U.D., Hertfordshire, England
Mary E Calder (Saville) 27 Feb 1898 Female Independent Means Widowed 269 1 Ref: RG101/1603B/003/3 Letter Code: DEEA
No closed records
Marriages Dec 1966 CALDER JOHN A SAVILLE BRIDGE 5F 199 SAVILLE MARY E CALDER BRIDGE 5F 199
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ArgyllGran
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4 Apr 2021 13:39 |
Dr Henry William Brooks Saville in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave Index, 1300s-Current Name: Dr Henry William Brooks Saville Death Date: 13 May 1937 Cemetery: Chorleywood Road Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Rickmansworth, Three Rivers District, Hertfordshire, England
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ArgyllGran
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4 Apr 2021 13:36 |
No obvious births of children - but if Mary was about Henry's age, there wouldn't be..
A few Saville / Taylor births -
one in Manchester in 1927, re-registered for some reason in Manchester in 1961.
Two in Stockport, 1928 and 1938. Two in Sheffield, 1938 and 1939
(And anyway, Henry died in 1937.)
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