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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
22, Oxford Place, Plymouth, Devon, England

First name(s) Elizabeth M
Last name McDowell
Relationship Widow
Marital status -
Sex Female
Age 55
Birth year 1846
Birth town Plymouth
Birth town as transcribed PLYMOUTH
Birth place England
Birth county Devon
Birth county as transcribed DEVONSHIRE
Occupation Living On Own Means
House number 22
Street Oxford Place
Town -
Parish Plymouth
Country England
County Devon
Municipal ward Frankfort
Registration district Plymouth


England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Plymouth, Devon, England

First name(s) Elizabeth M
Last name Mac Dowell
Gender Female
Birth year 1847
Age 66
Death quarter 4
Death year 1913
District Plymouth
County Devon
Volume 5B
Page 285

MACDOWELL, ELIZABETH MOORINGE 66
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 285

thank you for your help much appreciated

As Elizabeth didn't die until 1913, William's 'status' in 1891, when he said he was a widower, was an untruth.

It also raises the question of Elizabeth's whereabouts in that year.

shirley 15th may how is william henrys death date way out how did you find this

Look at the age

Joysie

I looked for the death on the gro site

eriik i have the death certificate to prove william henrys death b1847 died 1897

Does the death cert actually say he was aged 50, or give his date of birth?

If so, then the GRO Index must have the wrong age on it, because the Index definitely says the man who died in Stoke Damerel reg district in 1897 was aged 63..

Your original request..........copied from page one

wiliam henry mcdowell b 1847 stoke damerel devon m editha rundle 1869 did he marry again after she died in 1881 and have more children as i would like to know when were he died

Why would you post that if you have the death cert?

If you do have it, please post ALL the details from it.................

The Probate record for the man who died in March 1897 is on FMP

His estate was in excess of £2000.00 and Probate was granted to two retired Royal Navy officers

Your man was in the workhouse in 1892

I would imagine THIS is the man who died in1897, aged 63

1881 census
First name(s) William
Last name Mc Dowall
Relationship -
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Age 47
Birth year 1834
Birth town Glasgow
Birth town as transcribed GLASGOW
Birth county Lanarkshire
Birth place Scotland
Birth place other as transcribed SCOTLAND
Occupation Chief Engr
House name H M S Asia
Parish Portsea
County Hampshire

NO mention in ANY records for him of a second forename

This is the newspaper announcement for the man who died in 1897.

McDOWALL-On the 27th ultimo, at 16, Cotchele Villas, Stoke, William McDowall, Chief-Inspector of Machinery R.N., only son of the late Peter McDowall, Esq., R.N., aged 63 years. No flowers. by request
03 April 1897 - Hampshire Telegraph - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England


So this man.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Cothele Villas, Palmerston Street, Devonport, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Male
William McDowall
Head
Married Male 57 1834 Chief inspector of machinery retired Scotland
Female
Annie White
Servant
Married Female 28 1863 General servant domestic Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Oh dear, don't like this new format on fmp :-(

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William H. McDowell was charged with improper conduct in tbe Granby Lines that morning. The case was proved by Amelia Turner, housemaid, and Mr Iremonger, house steward at The Royal Albert Hospital. Prisoner, against whom there were four convictions for similar offences at Devonport, Plymouth and Roborough, was sentenced to 3 months hard labour.
19 May 1898 - Western Morning News - Plymouth, Devon, England


?? charged with vagrancy, sentenced to 3 months.

Event type Register Of Summary Convictions
Record set Devon, Plymouth Borough Records 1519-1905
First name(s) William Henry
Last name McDowell
Event year 1898
County Devon
Country England
Place Plymouth
Archive
Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference 1540/1


Charged with vagrancy, sentenced to 3 months.

Register Of Summary Convictions
Record set Devon, Plymouth Borough Records 1519-1905
First name(s) William Henry
Last name McDowell
Event year 1886
County Devon
Country England
Place Plymouth
Archive
Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference 1540/1

Devon Social & Institutional Records
Devonport, Devon, England
First name(s) William H
Last name McDowell
Age 28
Birth year 1848
Occupation Labourer
Year 1876
Residence 15 Duke St Devonport
Place Devonport
Disease or accident Catarrhal Opthalmia
Admission date 26 Feb 1876
Treatment duration 2
Discharge date 28 Feb 1876
Result Relieved
Recommending governor Urgent
County Devon
Country England
Publication Devonport: Royal Albert Hospital and Eye Infirmary; Admissions and Discharges
Archive
Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference 606/4/11
Record set Devon Social & Institutional Records

Devon, Plymouth Prison Records 1832-1919
Plymouth, Devon, England

First name(s) William
Last name McDowell
Age 41
Birth year 1847
Event year 1888
Event date 21 Nov 1888
Event place Plymouth Prison
Occupation Boiler Maker
Place Plymouth
County Devon
Country England
Event type Plymouth Prison Register - Male & Female Prisoners
Year range 1888-1891
Archive reference 3040/2
Archive
Plymouth & West Devon Record Office

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Register Of Summary Convictions
Record set Devon, Plymouth Borough Records 1519-1905
First name(s) William Hy
Last name McDowell
Event year 1884
County Devon
Country England
Place Plymouth
Archive
Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference 1540/1

Deserting children, 3 months

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'Before the Devonport magistrates yesterday, W. H. McDowall. a tramp, was charged with obtaining food and lodging the 17th August from W. H. Cawsey by false pretences. The Mayor, the magistrates' clerk, and the head constable had ...'
12 September 1888 - Western Morning News - Plymouth, Devon, England

The case was dismissed and the Mayor advised the prisoner to leave town as soon as he could as he had been very lucky.


Now I have no idea if all these reports pertain to the same person or if they are your ancestor but it sounds as if after his first wife died, he struggled and his second marriage doesn't seem to have gone anywhere

1888 reference to his being a boiler maker confirms that it's the right person, IMO

Looking for Elizabeth in 1891, came across her father.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Paris Street, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Male John R Boswarva Head Widower Male 71 1820 Clerk Plymouth
Male Henry G Boswarva Son Single Male 24 1867 Clerk London, Middlesex, England
Male Frank Boswarva Son Single Male 14 1877 Steward ship London, Middlesex, England
Male Charlie Boswarva Son Single Male 14 1877 Clerk London, Middlesex, England


But his wife dies in 1900.

Adaline E
Last name Boswarva
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1819
Age 81
Death quarter 1
Death year 1900
District Plymouth
County Devon
Volume 5B
Page 233

Adeline and John must have separated.
Adeline is also calling herself widowed in 1891:


Adalina Boswarva
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Adalina Boswarva
Gender: Female
Age: 72
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1819
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: Plymouth, St Andrew, Devon, England
Registration District: Plymouth
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, Institution or Vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 1733
Folio: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Adalina Boswarva 72 - widow, living on own means
Charles Coyte 24 - boarder, single, bank clerk