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Am looking for the birth of the above. Believe her fater was called John.
She married John William Needham on 6 May 1941 at the age of 23 in Bispham, Blackpool
She died in 1972 in Sheffield
In 1939 she was living at 3 Seafield Road, Blackpool with John W Hunter 74 and Lillie Hunter aged 88 aged 21 so they were probably her grandparents

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Could this be her birth registration (from freebmd)

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Hunter Joyce W Rawlinson Salford 8d 27

GRO shows that to be the correct person.

HUNTER, JOYCE WALMSLEY mother's maiden name RAWLINSON

GRO Reference: 1918 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 27

Maybe parents' marriage ??

Marriages Jun 1916
Hunter John W Rawlinson Salford 8d 65
Rawlinson Lily Hunter Salford 8d 65

parents
John Walmsley Hunter
Gender Male
Marriage Age 42
Event Type Marriage
Birth Year abt 1874
Marriage Date 22 Apr 1916
Marriage Place Pendlebury, St. John the Evangelist, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears S John Pendlebury
Father
James Walmsley Hunter
Spouse
Lily Rawlinson
Reference Number L112/1/2/3
Item Number 2
Archive Roll 557

Andrew
I think you may have misread the information on 1939 index.

Birthdate and year are shown, not actual age ....

John W ...15 Aug 74
Lillie.........19 April 88
Joyce W.....1 Jan 18

Baptism: 3 Jun 1888 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire
Lily Rawlinson - [Child] of Arthur Rawlinson & Mary Jane
Born: 19 Apr 1888
Abode: 6 Queen's Place, Ordsall Lane
Occupation: Mayor's Attendant
Baptised By: J. A. Pattinson
Register: Baptisms 1882 - 1892, Page 180, Entry 1437
Source: LDS Film 1786366

Marriage: 26 Jan 1916 St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury, Lancashire
John Walmsley Hunter - 42, Clerk, Widower, 7 Bolton Rd.
Lily Rawlinson - 28, Spinster, 78 Elleray Rd.
Groom's Father: James Walmsley Hunter, Printer
Bride's Father: Arthur Rawlinson, Mayor's Attendant
Witnesses: Arthur Rawlinson; Dora Gladys Hunter
Married by Banns by W. L. O. Noott
Register: Marriages 1909 - 1923, Page 127, Entry 254
Source: Manchester Central Library


Lancashire OnLine Parish Clerk Project .org

Marriage: 6 May 1941 All Hallows, Bispham, Lancashire
John William Needham - 22, Aircraftsman R. A. F., Bachelor, 130 Dunhill Rd. Goole
Joyce Walmsley Hunter - 23, Spinster, 1 Cranleigh Avenue
Groom's Father: William John Needham, deceased, Marine Engineer Officer
Bride's Father: John Hunter, Retired Clerk ?
Witnesses: Ronald Granger?; Margherita Buchanan?
Married by Licence by Henry Ward, Rector
Register: Marriages 1939 - 1945, Page 33, Entry 66
Source: Original Register

prev marriage John Walmsley Hunter
Gender Male
Marriage Age 29
Event Type Marriage
Birth Year abt 1875
Marriage Date 2 Apr 1904
Marriage Place Pendlebury, St. John the Evangelist, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears S John Pendlebury
Father
James Walmsley Hunter
Spouse
Delilah Breadney
Reference Number L112/1/2/2
Item Number 6
Archive Roll 556 marriage

Burial: 7 Mar 1908 St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury, Lancashire
Delilah Hunter -
Age: 27 years
Abode: 25 Sefton Rd. Pendlebury
Grave: Number 197
Buried By: W. L. O. Noott
Register: Burials 1907 - 1923, Page 11, Entry 81
Source: LDS Family Search

Looks like John W was a twin, mother's maiden name for both was GREENHALGH

Births Sep 1874
Hunter James Walmsley ... Salford 8d 30
Hunter John Walmsley ...Salford 8d 30

The marriage ??

Marriages Sep 1873
GREENHALGH Martha Annie Salford 8d 28
HUNTER James Walmsley Salford 8d 28

FREE sites....make a note and make use of them

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

1939 for INFO

1939 Register
1 Senfield Road, Blackpool, Blackpool C.B., Lancashire, England

John W Hunter 15 Aug 1874 Male Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 113 1
Lillie Hunter 19 Apr 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 113 2
Joyce W Needham (Hunter) 01 Jan 1918 Female Civil Servant Clinical Assistant Single 113 3


AND

1921 Census Of England & Wales
10, Minden Street, Pendleton, Salford, Lancashire, England
John Walmsley Hunter Head Male 1874 46 Salford, Lancashire, England Stock Clerk Shell Mex Limited
Lily Hunter Wife Female 1888 33 Salford, Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Joyce Hunter Daughter Female 1918 3 Salford, Lancashire, England

1911 Census For England & Wales
7 Bolton Road Pendlebury, Pendlebury, Lancashire, England

James Walmsley Hunter Head Married Male 62 1849 Printers machinist letterpress Liverpool Lanc
Martha Annie Hunter Wife Married Female 56 1855 - Irlams Oth Height Lanc
John Walmsley Hunter Son Widower Male 36 1875 Stock clerk petroleum oil Irlams Oth Height Lanc
Dora Gladys Hunter Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Tramways ticket clerk Salford Lanc
Lucy Hunter Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Shorthand- typist Irlams Oth Height Lanc

Half brother to Joyce Walmsley Hunter......( same father)

HUNTER, JOHN WALMSLEY ....BREADNEY
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 20

EDIT.... Probably NOT because....

Twin James also married to a BREADNEY

Marriages Sep 1902
Breadney Mary Ann ...Salford 8d 83
Hunter James Walmsley ...Salford 8d 83

Marriage: 24 Sep 1873 St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury, Lancashire
James Walmsley Hunter - full, Stationer, Bachelor, Pendlebury
Martha Annie Greenhalgh - 20, Spinster, Pendlebury
Groom's Father: James Hunter, Commercial Traveller
Bride's Father: Edmund Dauntesey Langley Greenhalgh, Stationer
Witnesses: W. F. Padbury; Emily Williams
Married by Banns by Edward H Robson Vicar
Register: Marriages 1849 - 1891, Page 102, Entry 203
Source: Manchester Central Library

children

Baptism: 15 Aug 1874 St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury, Lancashire
John Walmsley Hunter - [Child] of James Walmsley Hunter & Martha Annie
Born: 15 Aug 1874
Abode: Irlams o' th' Height
Occupation: Printer
Baptised By: G. F. Dalton, Curate
Notes: P.
Register: Baptisms 1862 - 1886, Page 88, Entry 699
Source: Manchester Central Library

Baptism: 15 Aug 1874 St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury, Lancashire
James Walmsley Hunter - [Child] of James Walmsley Hunter & Martha Annie
Born: 15 Aug 1874
Abode: Irlams o' th' Height
Occupation: Printer
Baptised By: G. F. Dalton, Curate
Notes: P.
Register: Baptisms 1862 - 1886, Page 88, Entry 699
Source: Manchester Central Library

Baptism: 1 Mar 1876 St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury, Lancashire
Charles Edmund Hunter - [Child] of James Walmsley Hunter & Martha Annie
Born: Jan 1876
Abode: Irlams o' th' Height
Occupation: Stationer
Baptised By: E. H. Robson, Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1862 - 1886, Page 99, Entry 787
Source: Manchester Central Library

Baptism: 16 Oct 1881 St John, Preston, Lancashire
Mary Frances Hunter - [Child] of James Walmsley Hunter & Martha Annie
Abode: Oxford St
Occupation: Book Keeper
Baptised By: G. T. Laycock
Register: Baptisms 1875 - 1889, Page 327, Entry 257
Source: LDS Film 93992

Baptism: 30 Oct 1889 St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury, Lancashire
Dora Gladys Hunter - [Child] of James Walmsley Hunter & Martha Annie
Born: 22 Aug 1889
Abode: 22 Claremont Rd.
Occupation: Stationer
Baptised By: A. F. Thomas
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1915, Page 33, Entry 263
Source: Manchester Central Library

Baptism: 11 Oct 1893 St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury, Lancashire
Lucy Hunter - [Child] of James Walmsley Hunter & Martha Annie
Born: 3 Aug 1893
Abode: 5 S. John's St.
Occupation: Manager
Baptised By: W. L. O. Noott
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1915, Page 70, Entry 559
Source: Manchester Central Library

Not a child of John

Baptism: 8 May 1907 St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury, Lancashire
John Walmsley Hunter - [Child] of James Hunter & Mary Ann
Abode: 11 Buchanan St., Pendlebury
Occupation: Clerk
Baptised By: W. L. O. Noott
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1915, Page 213, Entry 1704
Source: Manchester Central Library

Thank you Erika.... I recently edited my earlier post, after I checked records.

EDIT

It looks like the twins married 2 sisters

1901 census
Nimrod Breadney
48
Head

Margt Breadney
48
Wife

Elizth Breadney
26
Daughter

Mary A Breadney<<<<<<
22
Daughter

Delilah Breadney 21 Daughter<<<<<<

Matilda Breadney
19
Daughter

I posted only for confirmation ;-) ;-)

Thanks for all the information
Beginning to peice together a family mystery