Genealogy Chat

Doe's anyone have access to the 1901 census online now owned by GR, the reason I'm asking is last year I subscribed to 1901 census online and viewed an image of my great grandfather Ernest Paramore, it said he was on the vessell 'Ophir' after losing the file I saved it to, I had to find it again, this time I went through Ancestry as i am a subscriber, only to find he is listed as crew of HMS Ocean. If someone has access to this 1901 census online, could they please have a look and see what ship it says, many thanks ERNEST PARAMORE B.1883 BRIDGWATER SOMERSET Regards Michelle

the only Ernest Paramore on 1901 was born in 1895 west bromwich I cannot find one born in 1883 Bridgewater Somerset

Hi Valerie, Sorry he was actually born Staplehill Gloucestershire got him mixed up with his dad. I've just gone on to 1901 census online I can see the listing for Ernest Paramore age 18 Occupation Ord Smn but can't view the image!

On the government 1901 site, the Ernest Paramore you seem to be referring to is age 18 but born Stapehill, Gloucestershire. What did the ancestry census entry say - or what folio/page of piece 5328 is he?

Yes that is right Jools he was born Staplehill Gloucestershire, Ancestry have spelt his name Ernest Saramore Regards Michelle:)

Ernest Saramore Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation: Crew Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Staple Hill, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Vessels Town: Hong Kong County/Island: Royal Navy Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Source information: RG13/5328 Registration district: Royal Navy at Sea and in Ports Abroad Sub-registration district: RN Ships ED, institution, or vessel: Ocean Folio: 89 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1

can send you the image if I have your email but its not very clear

As you say ancestry have him on Ocean not Ophir. If no one has any credits for the government 1901, I suppose the only way is for you to go right through the images for Ophir to be sure he's not on her. Ophir starts at rg13/5328 f 115 p1 !!!! UPDATE !!!!1 The thing is - on census night Ocean was a battleship in Hong Kong, whereas Ophir was the royal yacht in the Suez Canal en route to Australia. Does that help??

Thanks for that Valerie, I now have that copy of the census page from Ancestry Regards Michelle:)

Jeff Knaggs - Genealogy - 1901 Royal Navy ShipsHis Majesty's Ship, Ophir. Class and Denomination of Ship, Royal Yacht. Captain or Commanding Officer, Commodore Alfred L Winsloe NVO ... homepage.ntlworld.com/jeffery.knaggs/RNShips.html found this googling

Thanks jools, I've already trolled through the crew members of the Ophir and Ernest wasn't on it, very disappointed to find out he wasn't on that ship even bought my mother the book on the 'Ophir' 1901 for christmas (it's her grandfather) she'll be upset. Can only think whoever catalogued the crew list put it to the wrong ship, I guess it doe's pay to double check!!! Thanks again for your help Michelle:)

Can anyone help with where you find crew lists for the OPHIR? I have photo with my great grandfather in his naval uniform with an HMS Ophir on his hat band but have no other info. please help

Hello, S -

Is this old query yours? Did any of the links given there help? (Presumably not, or you wouldn't be asking here.)

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/archive/index.php?t-18954.html

EDIT:
Sorry, Su - I thought you might be the Sinclair who posted that, but maybe you're not.

Another link which might help - though probably not for 1911 (per your other thread posted above):

https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/

You can do an initial search free, then need a sub to look at the details.


And another:
https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/search/advanced/occupation/crew-lists/

but you can get a 14 day free trial.
http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/14day/?referrer=homepage

Michelle and S seem to be different people - see S's thread where she signs herself as Su

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1355998

Thanks, DetEcTive - and for copying over to the other thread.

I realised S had added to Michelle's thread - I had thought maybe the S was for Sinclair, as in the shipsnostalgia link.

Ophir was initially RMS (Royal Mail Ship)

See Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Ophir

Edit/Added
Harry Price 1877-1965 mentioned in Wiki shows that HMY Ophir was at Suez 01Apr1901 and at Aden 05Apr1901. Not sure if it was only ships in Home Waters that were required to complete a census return?
One of my greatuncles was on HMS Duke of Wellington in 1901 and HMY Alexandra in 1911. At both dates the ships were at Portsmouth.

S.
Likely that the RN archivists at Portsmouth could assist.

Further Edit.
Have you not tried the National Archives? For a few pounds you should be able to obtain his service record.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-navy-ratings-service-records-1853-1923/