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I would like to have a look up for John James Adams in the 1921 census please
He was born in 1906 in Shobden Herefordshire. His father was James Adams , his mother Minnie Leary.
In 1911. the family were living at 5 station terrace Llanwit Fadre. John was 5

in 1921 the family were living at Newton Lane Leominster but John not with them.

At some point he was working at a "big house" just outside of Ledbury, Herefordshire
he would only have been 15 in 1921 but it is possible he was working there then but I dont know the house or the family he was working for.
There is another John Adams born in Herefordshire in 1906 but his parents were Albert and Agnes and that is the incorrect one.

Any help would be great thanks.

Not seeing him

Where was he in 1939?

Is this his marriage?

England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
First name(s) John J
County Herefordshire
Last name Adams
Country England
Marriage quarter 1
Volume 6A
Marriage year 1927
Volume as transcribed 6A
Registration month -
Page number 625
MarriageFinder™ John J Adams married one of these people
Edith M Bridges
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Spouse's last name Bridges
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Ledbury

That looks to be a good possibility - the 'other' John James Adams married Rose Morris in 1933

The man's address on the cert may prove helpful

Searching 1921 for a name using 'Ledbury' as a location produces 'no results', but using address search produces plenty.

I have contacted FMP to ask them to rectify this situation..................not holding my breath!

Thanks for the replies
Shirley- Thanks. I did see that marriage in 1927but I dont know if it is him.will need to get certificate.
Erika - I could not find him on the 1939 Census or a death.

Unfortunately I have no more info about him. He was born in Quarter April/May/ June 1906 so very few John Adams in with birth in that period when I look at the 1939 Census and the only one I thought might match was one in Wiltshire born 8/5/06 and Single but that one does not seem too likely as I understood he stayed around Ledbury and especially if that marriage is him- I cant find him and Edith on the 1939 census either.
All I have been given is that he moved to Ledbury to work in a Big house outside of Ledbury working for an "aristocratic family" around 1921 so was trying to get more info from that. I know I am looking for a"needle in a haystack"
Thanks

Well there certainly seems to one child born

Births Mar 1928
Adams Daniel J Bridges Ledbury 6a 663

If you get the marriage cert, come back with his address so we can look again.

Won’t be an open record on the 1939 register

Title Mr
Postcode area GL
First name(s) Daniel James
Postcode district GL3
Last name Adams
Postcode sector GL3 4
Sex Male
County Gloucestershire
Birth year 1928
Country England
Age 90
Record set England & Wales Deaths 2007-2024
Death year 2018
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death date 05 Sep 2018
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Residence Gloucester
Collections from England, Great Britain, Wales
Area Gloucester

And possibly marriage

First name(s) Daniel J
County Gloucestershire
Last name Adams
Country England
Marriage quarter 1
Volume 22
Marriage year 1976
Volume as transcribed 22
Registration month -
Page number 1325
MarriageFinder™ Daniel J Adams married one of these people
Doris Houlden
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Spouse's last name Houlden
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Gloucester
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Other records featuring that name

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John James Adams in 1914
National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
First name(s) John James
Parent's name(s) James Adams
Last name Adams
Archive Glamorganshire Archives
Birth year 1906
Archive reference EPP6/2/6
Birth date 06 Apr 1906
Book type Admissions
Event year 1914
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
School name Graig Board School/graig-Y-Wion, Pontypridd (Boys)
Category Education & work
Town Pontypridd
Subcategory Schools & Education
County Glamorganshire
Collections from Great Britain, Wales
Country Wales

The birth date wouid tie with a June qtr registration

1939 Register
Rosemore St Guthlac Street, Hereford, Hereford M.B., Herefordshire, England

Agnes Adams 12 Aug 1869 Female Private Means Widowed 185 1

John James Adams 06 Mar 1906 Male Clerk Public Health Dept Hfd County Married 185 2

Rose Gladys Adams 02 Jan 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 185 3

Rosemary Stagg-Macey (Adams) 20 Apr 1934 Female At School Single 185 4

Richard Adams 12 Sep 1935 Male Under School Age Single 185 5

I am aware of the " born in Quarter April/May/ June 1906 " reference, but it's not the first time the records were not correct

Don't forget Rose, that his birth was registered in Q2 of 1906. As 6 weeks is allowed in which to register a birth he could have been born as early as mid February.

Also, unfortunately, whilst both days and month are often (but not always) correct in the 1939 register and other documents, the year is sometimes wrong.

2 John J deaths in Hereford which equate to a 1906 birth (if he stayed in that County !)
Unfortunately years not covered by the GRO site to give full name for the J initial.

Deaths Jun 1959 (>99%)
ADAMS John J 53 Hereford 9a 46

Deaths Dec 1966 (>99%)
ADAMS JOHN J 60 HEREFORD 9A 46

The 1939 posted by Jink20 would appear to be the "other John James with his Mother Agnes, ruled out by the OP as the incorrect person.

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Newton Lane, Newton, Newton, Herefordshire, England

James Adams Head Male 1866 54 Herefordshire, England Cowman (Farm) Mr Johnson Farmer

Minnie J Adams Wife Female 1878 43 Herefordshire, England House Duties Domestic Farm Servant, Mrs Smith

Emma Adams Daughter Female 1902 19 Shobdon, Herefordshire, England - Out Of Work

Minnie Adams Daughter Female 1907 13 Glamorganshire, Wales Domestic Servant Mr Morgan Farmer

Margaret Adams Daughter Female 1911 9 Glamorganshire, Wales - -
Herbert Adams Son Male 1914 7 Herefordshire, England - -

May Adams Daughter Female 1918 2 Herefordshire, England - -

Gwendoline Adams Daughter Female 1921 - Dinmore, Herefordshire, England - -

greyghost- 1939 register entry noted.

-OP stated the family was at Newton Lane on 1921 Register (entry above)
-Minnie jr and Margaret both born Glamorganshire
-Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it entry dated 30 May 2024 18:40
shows John James Adams school admission in Glamorganshire



Is the Glamorganshire JJ Adams the OP's individual, given she mentioned them living at 5 station terrace Llanwit Fadre at the time and the school child's father name is James?

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John James sister Emma ??

First name(s) Emma Annie
Parent's name(s) James Adams ***
Last name Adams
Archive Glamorganshire Archives
Birth year 1903
Archive reference ELL/19/2/2
Birth date 05 Jun 1903
Book type Admissions
Event year 1910
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
School name Llantwit Fadre School (Mixed) *****
Category Education & work
Town Llantwit Fadre
Subcategory Schools & Education
County Glamorganshire
Collections from Great Britain, Wales
Country Wales

I tried the JJ Adams Glamorganshire DOB "06/04/1906" with a "+-2 yrs" and surname "Adams " as the search parameters in the 1939 Register

Only 1 result for a John J

1939 Register
Mere Green Cottages, Fernhill Heath, Droitwich R.D., Worcestershire, England

John J Adams 06 Apr 1904 Male Farm Labourer Married 41 1
Edith (M) Adams 06 Jun 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 41 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
Irene (Edith) Jukes (Adams) 23 Jun 1935 Female Under School Age Single 41 4

Yes, I know the YOB is 2yrs out.

But there is an entry in the notes which is not fully legible which reads

"Served in 2nd Hereford ?errisc unit at Ledbury 1927"

Are above couple those referenced in the wedding by Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it 30 May 2024 07:39 ??

Edith Irene is mmn Walker

Births Jun 1935
Adams Edith I Walker Ross 6a 659

errisc unit is probably Territorial.

In 1921 ???

John
Addams
1905
POB: Bicton, Herefordshire, England [ approx 5.5 miles from Shobdon ]
Residence: Shobdon Leominster Herefordshire

With Sarah [Samuel ] Arthur Owens 1861, Lydia Margery Owens 1909, Barbara Annie Owens 1910, Arthur Dubly 1854, and Mary Simpson 1856.


The Owens family in 1911:

Barbara Annie Owens
in the 1911 England Census
Name Barbara Annie Owens
Age in 1911 9/12
Estimated Birth Year abt 1910
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Birth Place X
Civil parish Shobdon
County/Island Herefordshire
Country England
Street Address The Hole Farm, Shobdon, Herefordshire <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration District Number 340
Sub-registration district Kingsland
ED, institution, or vessel 09
Piece 15828
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Arthur Owens 50 Head, farmer, employer
Eliza Owens 46 Wife
Mary Elizabeth Owens 21 Daughter
Margarette Matilda Owens 13 Daughter
Lidia Margery Owens 3 Daughter
Barbara Annie Owens 9/12 Daughter [ age 6 months on image ]
William Jones 20 Servant - Waggoner on farm
Walter Langford 18 Servant - Ploughman on farm


Hole Farm seems to have been part of the Shobdon Court estate - and Shobdon Court would have been a very grand house indeed.

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/rchme/heref/vol3/pp179-182
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shobdon_Court