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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Overton, West Overton, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
Sarah Cleverly Female 50 1791 Wiltshire, England
Jemima Cleverly Female 20 1821 Wiltshire, England
Elizabeth Cleverly Female 23 1818 Wiltshire, England
Mary Cleverly Female 22 1819 Wiltshire, England
Henry Cleverly Male 19 1822 Wiltshire, England
Ellen Cleverly Female 15 1826 Wiltshire, England
Eliza Cleverly Female 12 1829 Wiltshire, England
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Lockeridge, West Overton, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
Henry Cleverly Head Married Male 28 1823 Ag lab Overton, Wiltshire, England
Ann Cleverly Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Overton, Wiltshire, England
Elizabeth Cleverly Daughter - Female 6 1845 - Overton, Wiltshire, England
Stephen Cleverly Son - Male 4 1847 - Overton, Wiltshire, England
Jane Cleverly Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Mary Cleverly Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Henry Laws Brother in law Unmarried Male 16 1835 Ag lab Overton, Wiltshire, England
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Upcross, South Cerney, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Chearley Head Married Male 39 1822 Gardener Overton, Wiltshire, England
Ann Chearley Wife Married Female 37 1824 - Overton, Wiltshire, England
Elizabeth Ann Chearley Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 General servant Fyfield, Wiltshire, England
John Chearley Son - Male 14 1847 Groom Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Louisa Jane Chearley Daughter - Female 12 1849 Scholar Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Mary Ellen Chearley Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Emily Chearley Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Alfred Chearley Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar South Cerney, Gloucestershire, England
Selyna Chearley Daughter - Female 2 1859 - South Cerney, Gloucestershire, England
Above is the appalling mess made by the FMP transcriber. I have submitted corrections
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Hi again,
I have someone who has informed me that Lorenza (Henry Baker) Cleverly was also married to a Margaret Hodgson in around 1898. I'm not confident in this information, however. I did find a Henry Baker in the 1901 cencus living in Ystradyfodwg in Pontypridd who was married to a Margaret. This Henry Baker was born in Cirencester too and moved to Cardiff. I've not found any further info on Margaret after this though. No death record, no further cencus records.
I've had difficulty finding some of the records you refer to online. I'm using findmypast.com and have been unsuccessful in finding some of the parish info you gave me in your thread, particularly around Lorenza's baptism and his daughter Amelia's. Where did you find this info please as at the moment, I'm on the assumption he was living a double life. From what I heard about him from the family, this may not be particularly far from the truth. It may be when he said he was a widower on his marriage banns to Evelyn (my greatgrandmother) he was telling the truth and referring to Margaret?
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My bad. I found it through signing up to ancestory and can see they lived in Catherine Street in November 2001 in Swindon. I think I can disregard anything to do with Margaret Hodgson now
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Having said that, the census of 1901 shows Eliza Cleverly and children as well as some people sharing her maiden name Filor, already living with Frederick Dangerfield. Lorenzo not in sight. The 3 children were baptised at the end of 1901 but Lorenza may not have been on the scene as he wasn't in the March 1901 when the census was done. Scandal
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Don’t take any notice of so-called ‘information’ unless you can verify it. Use freebmd to look for marriages……..then the GRO site to find possible children of those unions
Both Lorenzo and Eliza had adulterous relationships as I have shown with the documentary evidence found online.
In fact they both went through what were almost certainly bigamous ‘marriages’ and lied consistently. Divorce was virtually unheard-of except for the very wealthy, so they would have done what they felt necessary.
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Just mooching around in various records...................and posting what comes up, which does suggest that Lorenzo/Henry was the one who 'married' Margaret Hodgson
Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
Baker Henry Stephen Cardiff 11a 509
Hodgson Margaret Cardiff 11a 509
BAKER, MABEL HONOR HODGSON
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 306
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
1, Penrhys Road, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
Henry Baker Head Married Male 29 1872 Coal hewer Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
Margaret Baker Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Windermere, Westmorland, England
Elizabeth Baker Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
Mabel Baker Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Llandaff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Name Elizabeth Jane Baker
Baptism Age 0
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 10 May 1900*******************does not match Birth record
Baptism Date 8 Aug 1900
Baptism Place Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Father Henry Stephen Baker..................Timberman
Mother Margaret Baker
Address: 9 Tyisa Court, Gelli
CLEVERLY, ELIZABETH JANE HODGSON
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 531
Deaths Mar 1902 (>99%)
Baker Margaret 23 Cardiff 11a 186
A tree on Ancestry has Mabel dying in 1902, BUT NO CERT, and...............................
Name Mabel H Baker
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec 1921
Registration district Cardiff
Inferred County Glamorganshire
Spouse Herman Lodge
Volume Number 11a
Page number 990
1939 Register
61 Ty-Mawr Road, Cardiff, Cardiff C.B., Glamorganshire, Wales
Annie W Price 25 Dec 1857 Female Incapacitated Widowed 290 1
Herman Lodge 24 Sep 1898 Male Plan Coco Labourer Pe Way Married 290 2
Mabel H Lodge 24 Feb 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 290 3
Queenie E Hocking (Lodge) 20 May 1920 Female Domestic Daily Service Single 290 4
Edith A Davies (Lodge) 12 Jul 1924 Female Domestic Daily Service Single 290 5
William Lodge 26 Sep 1926 Male At School Single 290 6
John Lodge 04 Sep 1929 Male At School Single 290 7
Name Mabel Honor Lodge
Death Date 7 Jan 1963
Death Place Llandaff North
Probate Date 6 Mar 1963
Probate Registry Llandaff
Administration to Herman Lodge, retired council worker
Effects £1642 17s
Deaths Mar 1963 (>99%)
LODGE MABEL H 62 CARDIFF 8B 15_
Deaths Jun 1977 (>99%)
LODGE HERMAN 24SE1898 S GLAMORGAN 28 1995
LODGE, HERMAN KAYE
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 284
1921 Census Of England & Wales
40, Lane End, Dalton, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
William Wardrop Head Male 1876 45 Scotland Forman Sir Mackalpine Public Works Contractors
Edith Ann Wardrop Wife Female 1874 47 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland House Wife
Herman Lodge Son Male 1898 23 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Brich Labourer Sir R Mackalpie
Jack Lodge Son Male 1900 21 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Brick Layer -Sir R Mackalpie
Hilda Lodge Daughter Female 1903 18 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Stay At Home
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1921 Census Of England & Wales
61, Ty-Mawr Road, Llandaff North, Whitchurch, Glamorganshire, Wales
A E Price Head Female 1857 64 Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Mabel Honor Baker Adopted daughter Female 1901 20 Llandaff North, Glamorganshire, Wales Sewing Maid Cardiff Mental Hospital Out Of Work
Queenie E Baker Adopted GrandDaughter Female 1920 1 Glamorganshire, Wales - -
Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Baker Queenie E Baker Cardiff 11a 800
BAKER, QUEENIE ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 800
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So Lorenzo/Henry fathered one daughter named Mabel, passed her on to someone else, and fathered another Mabel with his next 'wife'
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