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Am trying to find the wife of the above DOB 13.06.1881 in Bellside Shotts Lanarkshire he was also called Robert William Bruce though I have the Family Bible and it is definitely Wallace.
Father Robert Bruce
Mother Margaret Naismith.
We know that he had 2 boys and 2 girls though I can't find them either. William, Beatrice, Margaret & Bertram no DOB's.

for ref
1891
Name: Robert W Bruce
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relationship: Son (Child)
Father's name: Robert Bruce
Mother's name: Margaret Bruce
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotts, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 655/3
Registration district: Shotts Western District
Civil Parish: Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Address: No 17 Bellside Bedgs
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 37
LINE: 11
Roll: CSSCT1891_322
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Bruce 49
Margaret Bruce 48
Helen Bruce 27
Elizabeth F Bruce 19
William Bruce 18
Alexr Bruce 13
Robert W Bruce 9
Marion Bruce 6
Jeanie Bruce 2
Robert Bruce 10

is this him in 1901
Name: Robert Bruce
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Rose Bruce
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotts, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 622/1
Registration district: Maryhill
Civil Parish: Maryhill
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 79 Denmark St
Occupation: Stone Mason
ED: 37
Household schedule number: 124
LINE: 21
Roll: CSSCT1901_241
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Bruce 21
Rose Bruce 24
John Bruce 7 Mos
Sarah Prentice 15

Thanks Maddie
I have the majority of that, its the descendants that my M-in-Law is looking for.

No, Maddie the children's names don't match up.

????

Name: Bertram Bruce
Gender: Male
Age: 16
Birth Date: abt 1913
Departure Date: 16 Feb 1929
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination Port: Halifax, Canada
Ship Name: Andania
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Shipping line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 145934
Master: E Edkin

travelling with Robert Bruce an engineer aged 47
his wife Jessie aged 33
william ????
margaret aged 6
Elizabeth Black aged 64

address 11 newton street edinburgh

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First name(s) BERTRAM
Last name BRUCE
Gender Male
Age 16
Birth year 1913
Occupation FARMING
Departure year 1929
Departure day 15
Departure month 2
Departure port GLASGOW
Destination port HALIFAX
Destination HALIFAX
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name ANDANIA
Ship official number 145934
Ship master's first name E
Ship master's last name EDKIN
Shipping line CUNARD
City GREENOCK
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 9957
Ship registered tonnage 8391
Number of passengers 182
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State First name(s) Last name Title
- ROBT BRUCE -
- JESSIE BRUCE -
- BEATRICE BRUCE -
- WM BRUCE -
- MERGT BRUCE -

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First name(s) BEATRICE
Last name BRUCE
Gender Female
Age 23
Birth year 1906
Occupation DOMESTIC
Departure year 1929
Departure day 15
Departure month 2
Departure port GLASGOW
Destination port HALIFAX
Destination HALIFAX
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name ANDANIA
Ship official number 145934
Ship master's first name E
Ship master's last name EDKIN
Shipping line CUNARD
City GREENOCK
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 9957
Ship registered tonnage 8391
Number of passengers 182
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
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if that is them, from the arrival sheet, Robert from Lanarkshire, Jessie from Cornwall, beatrice aged 23 from pob davanport, Willliam aged 20 pob Looe, Bertram aged 16 pob Looe, Margaret aged 6 pob Inverkeithling

Name: Bertram Bruce
Gender: Male
Age: 16
Birth Year: abt 1913
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 24 Feb 1929
Vessel: Andania
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Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Port of Departure: Greenock, Scotland

OH WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks Maddie your a star :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Hope to find out details about Jessie now. the Mum-in-Law thinks she came from Spain

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
Bruce Robert William Devonport 5b 809
Webber Jessie Devonport 5b 809

Name: Bertram H Bruce
Mother's Maiden Name: Webber
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Liskeard
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page:
Name: Beatrice Florence Bruce
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Devonport
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 297

Name: William Arthur Bruce
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Liskeard
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 47

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First name(s) Beatrice Florence
Last name Bruce
Birth year 1905
Birth date 11 Feb 1905
Baptism year 1906
Baptism date 15 Mar 1906
Denomination Anglican
Place Devonport, St James the Great
Father's first name(s) Robert Wallace
Mother's first name(s) Jessie
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference -
Page 56
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

PURE BRILL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Entering the details into my Ancestry I've found that according to this
"travelling with Robert Bruce an engineer aged 47
his wife Jessie aged 33"
that would make her DOB 1896, her marriage to Robert is stated as 1902 and 2 of the children being before child bearing age!!!
Any idea's please.

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First name(s) JESSIE
Last name BRUCE
Gender Female
Age 47
Birth year 1882
Marital status M
Occupation WIFE
Departure year 1929
Departure day 15
Departure month 2
Departure port GLASGOW
Destination port HALIFAX
Destination HALIFAX
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name ANDANIA
Ship official number 145934
Ship master's first name E
Ship master's last name EDKIN
Shipping line CUNARD
City GREENOCK
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 9957
Ship registered tonnage 8391
Number of passengers 182
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
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Thanks SAFC very much appreciated.

Looking at Ancestry for that 1929 sailing, the ages are given as Robert Bruce 47 Engineer, Jessie wife 47, Beatrice 23 Domestic, , William 20 Farming, Bertram 16 Farming and Margaret 6 Nil. They are travelling 3rd class at the £10 rate, last address in UK 11 Newton St, Edinburgh

Cheers greyghost :-)

A fifth child?????????

1911 census Scotland

Shotts Cleland

No 23 Bellside Cottage

Rooms with 1 or more windows : 5

Number of people in house: 10

Robert Bruce head 70 married
Margaret Bruce wife 71 married 51 years 13 children born, 9 still living
Helen Bruce daur 58 S[ingle]
Lizzie Bruce daur 39 S
Jeannie Bruce daur 22 S
Robert Bruce jr son 29 married
Jessie Bruce daur in law 27 married 8 yrs 3 children born, 3 children still living
Robert Bruce grandson 7 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<??????
Beatrice Bruce daur 6
William Bruce son 2

(both Beatrice and William had 'do' for ditto to 'grand' in line above, then crossed out)

So is Robert aged 7 the third child for Jessie????

If so, when born and what happened to him?

No birthplaces recorded.

????

Births Dec 1903 Bruce Robert Wallace Devonport 5b 292

The Robert from census 1911 in my post above?

Baptised same church as Beatrice Florence, that safc posted earlier.

First name(s) Robert Wallace<<<<<
Last name Bruce<<<<<
Birth year 1903
Birth date 25 Sep 1903
Baptism year 1903
Baptism date 19 Nov 1903
Denomination Anglican
Place Devonport, St James the Great
Father's first name(s) Robert Wallace<<<<<<
Mother's first name(s) Jessie<<<<<<
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference -
Page 189
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms

Address 5 Hamilton street Keyham. Father's occupation, just has CRA

EDIT: just looked at the image for the baptism of Beatrice Florence Bruce posted earlier by safc - there the address is 26 Avondale Terrace, and father's occupation is ERA.