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At a dead end, David Wyatt born 1874 came to usa in 1909 with wife Ellen.
Can't find Marriage or David's Father or Ellen surename.
Help anyone.

Have you tried freebmd

Welcome to the boards, Michael.

Where was David born?


Just to start the ball rolling -

Is this perhaps the couple in 1901 ??

David Wyatt
in the 1901 England Census
Name: David Wyatt
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Ellen Wyatt
Birth Place: Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Cradley
Ecclesiastical parish: Cradley
Town: Cradley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Chainmaker
Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2751
Folio: 134
Page Number: 43
Household schedule number: 257
Household Members:
Name Age
David Wyatt 26
Ellen Wyatt 24 born Halesowen


David Wyatt
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: David Wyatt
Age in 1910: 36
Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Providence Ward 6, Providence, Rhode Island
Street: Wyatt Street
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1906
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Ellen Wyatt
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Chain-Maker <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Industry: Blacksmith Shop
Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Home Owned or Rented: Rent
Farm or House: House
Naturalization Status: Alien
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 12
Out of Work: N
Number of weeks out of work: 0
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
David Wyatt 36
Ellen Wyatt 33
Joseph E Wyatt 0
Joseph Wyatt 33


Immigration 1906 ??

Maybe
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Name: David Watt
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 27
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1873
Marriage Date: 3 Aug 1900
Marriage Place: Gloucester, St Catherine, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: St Catherine
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Father: William Watt
Spouse: Ellen Kay

??? If that's the right Ellen born in Halesowen (per 1901 census above) -

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
Willetts Ellen Stourbridge 6c 167
Wyatt David Stourbridge 6c 167


Stourbridge reg district includes Halesowen

???

Births Mar 1877 (>99%)
Willetts Ellen Stourbridge 6c 195



Ellen Wyatt
in the Massachusetts, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Ellen Wyatt
Gender: Female
Age: 30
Nationality: English
Birth Date: abt 1877
Birth Place: Kalesowen, <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 27 Jun 1907
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Last Residence: England
Friend: David Wyatt
Ship: Republic


She's listed as "wife";
Last permanent address: Cradley.
Going to join husband David Wyatt, 135 B . . . field Street, Providence, RI.
5 ft 4ins; fair complexion, brown eyes and hair.

If this is David's birth, no Father:

From GRO
WYATT, DAVID -
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 179

David Wyatt
in the 1881 England Census
Name: David Wyatt
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Grandson
Father: William Wyatt <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Where born: Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Cradley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address: High Park
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Stourbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2884
Folio: 20
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
James Wyatt 58
Samuel Wyatt 27 - unmarried
William Wyatt 24 - unmarried
David Wyatt 6

It doesn't look as if you'll ever know David's mother's name, as it's not given on his birth record, and his parents were unmarried.

Thanks you for replying
what i have so far David Born in 1874 in Worcestershire - Stourbridge. no father no mother.
married Ellen Charlotte Cohen in 1892 in Norfork Mitford from usa death she was born around 1877 +/-. Again no mother or father.
Came to USA through LiverPool 1909.

would like to expand out in uk but

Name: Joseph E Wyatt
Birth Date: 4 Nov 1909
Birth Place: Rhode Island
1st Parent: David Wyatt
2nd Parent: Helen Wyatt

David Wyatt
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 Jul 1874
Baptism Place: Cradley,Worcester,England
Mother: Ellen Wyatt
FHL Film Number: 895367, 895368, 895369

Wyatt family from 1881 in 1861, with a daughter Ellen, potential mother to David, 1874.

James Wyatt 34 Cradley etc
Ann Wyatt 34
Ann Wyatt 14
George Wyatt 12
Ellin Wyatt 8
Samuel Wyatt 4
William Wyatt 2
Class: RG 9; Piece: 2063; Folio: 101; Page: 23; GSU roll: 542911

This is the marriage you think is the right one, Michael:

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
Cohen Ellen Charlotte Mitford 4b 767
WYATT David Mitford 4b 767

Why do you think this is the correct one?



Ellen Charlotte Cohen
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Ellen Charlotte Cohen
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 27 Oct 1892
Marriage Place: Shouldham-Thorpe, Norfolk, England
Father: Joseph Lewis Cohen <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: David Wyatt
FHL Film Number: 2299169
Reference ID: item 12 p 81

she was born a lot earlier than 1877:


Ellen Charlotte Cohen
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Ellen Charlotte Cohen
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Yaxham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address: The Rectory
Occupation: Nurse Domestic Servant
Registration district: Mitford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1977
Folio: 46
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cowper Johnson 36
Emily Barham Johnson 29
John Hamilton Cowper Johnson 3
Wilfred Harry Cowper Johnson 2
Kenneth Cowper Johnson
Ellen Charlotte Cohen 30
Ellen Lois Springall 19


Ellen Charlotte Cohen
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ellen Charlotte Cohen
Registration Year: 1851
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Norwich
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 13
Page: 268



COHEN, ELLEN CHARLOTTE mms GANT
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in NORWICH Volume 13 Page 268




Ellen C Cohen
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Ellen C Cohen
Age: 2 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Cohen
Mother's name: Charlotte Cohen
Gender: Female
Where born: Norwich
Civil Parish: Norwich St Michael at Thorn
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: Conisford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 107
Piece: 1814
Folio: 178
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Cohen 35
Charlotte Cohen 30
Sarah A Cohen 11
Emanuel Cohen 10
Leon Cohen 5
Henry Cohen 3
Rosetta Cohen 2
Ellen C Cohen 2 Mo

Definitely not the right Ellen, so the 1892 Mitford marriage isn't the right couple:



Ellen C Wyatt
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Ellen C Wyatt
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: David Wyatt
Birth Place: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Yaxham
Ecclesiastical parish: Yaxham St Peter
Town: Yaxham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: Mattishall
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1870
Folio: 33
Page Number: 7
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
David Wyatt 54 - born Yaxham, c1847
Ellen C Wyatt 50




Ellen Charlotte Wyatt
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Ellen Charlotte Wyatt
Age in 1911: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Harwich, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Brandon Parva, Welborne and Runhall
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address: Brandon Parva Wymondham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Private Means
Registration district: Forehoe
Registration District Number: 226
Sub-registration district: Costessey
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 11332
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Charlotte Wyatt 60 - married, living apart

Her husband in 1911:

David Wyatt
in the 1911 England Census
Name: David Wyatt
Age in 1911: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Yaxham, Norfolk
Civil Parish: Yaxham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address: Dereham Rd, Yaxham S O
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 19
Estimated Marriage Year: 1892
Occupation: Boot and shoe Maker
Registration district: Mitford
Registration District Number: 232
Sub-registration district: Mattishall
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 11504
Household Members:
Name Age
David Wyatt 64

PM from Michael:

"You seem to have him on first try with the first thread. born in 1874 married to Ellen in 1892 Mitford. I noticed that you have no names of there fathers and mothers so i can move into the UK with this. At the end of your first thread you have a Joseph age 0 That is my connection."


No, Michael, your David didn't marry Ellen Cohen.

He married Ellen Willetts in 1898, as posted earlier.

Has he put the wrong birth year?
David Wyatt
in the U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995
Name: David Wyatt
Birth Date: 10 Apr 1875
Birth Location: Two Gates, Cradley, England
Spouse: Ellen
State: Massachusetts
Locality, Court: District of Masssachusetts, U.S. Circuit and District Courts
Dismissed in 1919

Added:
Uses same birth date in a 1917 application

There is a death for a David Wyatt in Everett, Massachusetts in 1936, no age specified.

There is on the same page of the alphabetical death index (Massachusetts 1936 to 1940) a death also in 1936 for Ellen (Willetts) Wyatt in Everett in 1936.