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This is probably the supposed death for Mary Jane, in the Ancestry tree mentioned by Sylvia:

Deaths Jun 1944
Proctor Mary J 74 Amounderness 8e 534

FreeBMD says the page number is not within the range expected for the district.
However, Amounderness includes Cuerdon and Walton-le-Dale.

Wikipedia says:

Lostock Hall traces its origins to James de Lostock who in 1212 built Lostock's Hall in the then rural area of Cuerden Green in the township of Walton-le-Dale. A settlement expanded outwards from Lostock's Hall, taking its name from the Hall.

Mary J Proctor
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Mary J Proctor
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1869
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 6 [street name obscured by Ancestry's "This record is officially closed" ]
Residence Place: Walton-le-Dale, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 146
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: NXRE
Registration district: 476 A 2
Household Members:
Name
Elsie Hayhurst
Mildred Hayhurst (Robinson)
Mary J Proctor

Mary Jane in 1881, with sister Sarah Ellen who was witness at Mary's marriage:

Mary I. Hacking
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Mary I. Hacking [Mary J Hacking ]
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Thomas Hacking
Mother: Ancelia Hacking
Gender: Female
Where born: Dukingfield, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 204 Audley Range
Occupation: Tenter In Cotton Mill
Registration district: Blackburn
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors:
Piece: 4185
Folio: 118
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hacking 48 - boiler maker
Ancelia Hacking 31 [Amelia ]
Margaret Hacking 14
Mary I. Hacking 11
Sarah E. Hacking 9 - born Newport, Mon.


Thomas and Sarah in 1891;

Thomas Hacking
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Thomas Hacking
Gender: Male
Age: 58
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1833
Child: Sarah E Hacking
Birth Place: Woolley Bridge North Glossop, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
Residence Place: Blackburn, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Blackburn Southern
ED, Institution or Vessel: 23
Neighbors:
Piece: 3405
Folio: 139
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hacking 58 - widower, boiler maker
Sarah E Hacking 19


Just for interest - not relevant to Leslie's question -

Sarah never married:


Sarah Ellen Hacking
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Sarah Ellen Hacking
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Companion
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ryll, Wales
Civil Parish: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 41 Infirmary Rd
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Private Means
Registration district: Blackburn
Registration District Number: 474
Sub-registration district: Blackburn South Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 25107
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Ann Pyl 43
Sarah Ellen Hacking 39


Sarah E Hacking
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Sarah E Hacking
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 20 Jun 1871
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 174 Cunliffe Road
Residence Place: Blackpool, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 22
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: NCNQ
Registration district: 477-2
Household Members:
Name
May Illingworth
Sarah E Hacking


Births Sep 1871 (>99%)
Hacking Sarah Ellen Newport M 11a 156


Sarah E Hacking
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Sarah E Hacking
Death Age: 88
Birth Date: abt 1871
Registration Date: Dec 1959
Registration district: Blackburn
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 321

the Hacking family in 1871:


Mary J Hacking
in the 1871 Wales Census
Name: Mary J Hacking
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Hacking
Mother's name: Silvia Hacking
Gender: Female
Where born: Dukinfield, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Maindee St John
Town: Maindee
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Caerleon
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 132
Piece: 5340
Folio: 53
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hacking 38 - boiler inspector
Silvia Hacking 34
James E Hacking 10
Alice A Hacking 8
Elizabeth Hacking 6
Margaret Hacking 4
Thomas Hacking 3
Mary J Hacking 1


Death of Silvia ?

Deaths Jun 1875 (>99%)
HACKING Sylvia 38 Ashton 8d 348

This is the FMP version of the 1939 Register that AG posted above. It IS Mary J on the image ........

Hayhurst Household (3 People) 6 King Street , Walton-le-Dale U.D., Lancashire, England

Elsie Hayhurst 15 Jun 1905 Married Cotton Weaver
Mildred Robinson (Hayhurst) 12 Dec 1934 At School
Mary ? Proctor 19 Sep 1869 Widow Unpaid Domestic Duties

Address:- 6 King Street

Elsie is the Householder, but it looks like Mary might be sort of the Housekeeper.

It is really beginning to look as though Albert and Mary married, then split up some time before June 1906 when Albert left for Canada

Thanks for your help on my PROCTOR search,,re Albert mrd Mary Jane Hacking..The other Albert Proctor was born also but was christened at St Marys Blackburn..It was this one,, whos father was William Proctor and mrd Elizabeth Fletcher,,that went to USA...Oh well!!!!Keep searching.....Regards...LES...

Argyll11Gran....You are right about Mary Jane Hacking's death at Lostock Hall Blackburn.....I wonder where the kids went???
Julies grandfather was ALBERT PROCTOR b 4/1908 Blackburn mrd 6/1932 to MARIE CARROLL b 3/1905 Dundalk Ireland...It's his parents I'm stuck on...
Thanks a million for your assistance so far...
By the ,,ArgyllGran??? I thought all the Argyll women were looking to young to be Gran's....
Only one part of Scotland more beautiful..Further north from Rosehall right up to Tongue and Melvich...My favourite part of the UK.. Regards....LES...

Well, I do look young for my age, I must admit, Les!

However, I don't quite understand your comments.

Albert, with parents Emanuel and Mary (Emanuel's first wife), went to the USA - see records posted earlier. (25th May, 21:19 )
But you're talking about a different Albert, with parents William and Elizabeth ?? Who's he?

You also say:
."....I wonder where the kids went???"

What kids? We haven't found any record of children.
Do you have names for any children of Albert and Mary Jane?


EDIT:
Sorry, just read your post properly.

so we've been looking for the wrong Albert? He's not Emanuel's son?

So it's this Albert's parents we're looking for ?

Albert Proctor
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Albert Proctor
Age in 1911: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 10 Hartley St
Registration district: Blackburn
Registration District Number: 474
Sub-registration district: Blackburn Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 25043
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Proctor 29 - fruiterer's assistant,
Elizbeath Proctor 28
Thomas Proctor 9
Joseph Proctor 8
Lily Proctor 4
Albert Proctor 3

Albert Proctor
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name: Albert Proctor
Baptism Date: 24 Jun 1908
Parish: Blackburn, St John, Lancashire, England
Father: Albert Proctor
Mother: Elizabeth Proctor
Register Type: Parish Registers
Reference Number: Pr 3001/1/6


PROCTER, ALBERT mms FLETCHER
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 363

Parents' marriage:

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
Fletcher Elizabeth Blackburn 8e 639
PROCTOR Albert Blackburn 8e 639



Elizabeth Fletcher
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Elizabeth Fletcher
Gender: Female
Age: 20
Birth Year: abt 1881
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Aug 1901
Parish: Blackburn, St John, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Albert Proctor
Spouse Age: 19
Father: Richard Fletcher - china dealer
Spouse Father: William Proctor - deceased, soldier
Register Type: Parish Register

Elizabeth Fletcher
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Fletcher
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Richard Fletcher
Mother: Elizabeth Fletcher
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Blackburn St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn, Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors:
Piece: 3906
Folio: 35
Page Number: 30
Household schedule number: 191
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Fletcher 41 - glass & china salesman, Blackburn
Elizabeth Fletcher 38 - St Helens
Elizabeth Fletcher 19

I'm not seeing an Albert Proctor born c1882 in Blackburn with father William in pre-marriage censuses.

Nor even with only a mother, depending on when his father died.

well, this looks like Albert Proctor born 1908, mother Elizabeth in the 1939 Register ........

it says he is married, but there is no wife with them

Proctor Household (3 People) 9 Kirkstall Avenue , Blackpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Albert Proctor 10 Aug 1908 Married Fruit Buyer & Fruit Salesman
Elizabeth Proctor 13 Apr 1883 Widowed Housekeeper
Arthur Proctor 20 Jun 1913 - Single, Manager, Fish, Fruit & Poultry Stores

Elizabeth is Head of the house, so Albert and Arthur are living at home.


PROCTOR, ARTHUR mmn FLETCHER
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 603

I'm afraid that I am now completely lost as to who we're really looking for!

Me too!

I assume Les thought this other Albert was Emanuel's son because Emanuel's son is the only one who shows up in earlier censuses with approx. that YOB in Blackburn..

This seems to be the only Albert Proctor/Procter born ca 1882 in Blackburn

Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
PROCTOR Albert Blackburn 8e 433


from GRO

PROCTOR, ALBERT mmn MILLER
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 433

but that marriage appears to be

Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)

Miller Alice Blackburn 8e 489
PROCTOR John Blackburn 8e 489


from lancs opc

Marriage: 12 Feb 1876 St Paul, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
John Proctor - 22, Spinner, Bachelor, Gibraltar Street
Alice Miller - 20, Winder, Spinster, Charlotte Street
Groom's Father: John Proctor, Brush Maker
Bride's Father: William Miller, Green Grocer
Witness: Michael Walson; Ciciley Ormerod, (X)
Married by Banns by: Benjn. Thompson, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1873 - 1878, Page 129, Entry 257
Source: LDS Film 1470928

but, again, I cannot find that Albert with father John and mother Alice