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Susan
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25 Oct 2020 15:29 |
Hi there, I haven't been on here for a long while. I have just started to find a little time to do abit of my family tree. I seem to be having a few issues on finding information on my great grandfather William John Jackson,born 1852 Edmonton. father Charles and mother mary. He married my great grandmother in 1899 Emma Rowlett. He died in 1912 as i have been told by my father but i can find nothing on this. Also i'm guessing with the age difference he may of married previously also.. any help would be great Thank you in advance Susan
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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25 Oct 2020 15:33 |
If you get the marriage cert it will give his age .marital status and fathers name .if known
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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25 Oct 2020 15:35 |
Emma Rowlett Gender: Female Record Type: Banns (Bann) Marriage Banns Date: 27 Aug 1899 Marriage Banns Place: All Saints, Edmonton, Enfield, England Spouse: William John Jackson Register Type: Parish Register
She was a spinster He was a widower
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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25 Oct 2020 15:39 |
1911 census
William John Jackson Age in 1911: 59 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Boro, London, England Civil Parish: Edmonton Search Photos: Search for 'Edmonton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: 23 St Mary's Gardens, Lower Edmonton Marital status: Married Estimated Marriage Year: 1899 Occupation: General Dealer Registration District: Edmonton Registration District Number: 132 Sub-registration District: Edmonton ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Piece: 7376 Household Members: Name Age William John Jackson 59 Emma Jackson 34 William Jhon Jackson 12 George Henry Jackson 10 Charles Jackson 8 James Jackson 6 Emma Kezzia Jackson 5 Henry Jackson 1 Jane Rowlett 65 widow boarder Frederick Rowlett 22 single boarder
Married 12 years 7 children born 6 still living
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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25 Oct 2020 15:40 |
Named reversed
John William Jackson Register Type: Burial Death Date: abt 1912 Burial or Cremation Date: 24 Sep 1912 Burial or Cremation Place: Newham, London, England URL: https://www.deceasedonline.com...
Edit. Don’t think this is him because there is a John williian Jackson born West Ham which is more likely
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Susan
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25 Oct 2020 15:40 |
Hi, I have the information on the marriage to my great grandmother Emma, it's more his death and previous marriages??
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Susan
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25 Oct 2020 15:42 |
Oh that's great, thank you so much
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alviegal
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25 Oct 2020 15:50 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
5, Townsend Terrace Bounces Road, Edmonton, Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Jackson Head Married Male 49 1852 Greengrocer Shopkeeper Bermondsey, Surrey, England Emma Jackson Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Holloway, Middlesex, England William J Jackson Son Single Male 2 1899 - Holloway, Middlesex, England George H Jackson Son Single Male 1 1900 - Edmonton, Middlesex, England Frederick Rowlett Boarder Single Male 14 1887 Coal Boy Holloway, Middlesex, England Henry Shepherd Boarder Single Male 33 1868 Hawker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
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greyghost
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25 Oct 2020 16:18 |
?? his birth Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: JACKSON, WILLIAM JOHN COLE GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY
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greyghost
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25 Oct 2020 16:25 |
England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
First name(s) CHARLES Last name JACKSON Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1850 Registration month - MarriageFinder ™ CHARLES JACKSON married one of these people Helen Ford, Ann Holman Shelvey, Mary Ann Cole, Amelia Teresa Mathews District Islington District number - County London Country England Volume 3 Volume as transcribed 3 Page number 261
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alviegal
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25 Oct 2020 16:39 |
A tree on ancestry suggests that this is him with his first wife.
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
76, Wynford Road, Islington, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William J Jackson Head Married Male 29 1852 Cheesemonger City of London, Middlesex, England Ellen Jackson Wife Married Female 27 1854 (Lodg) Ireland Joshua Williams Lodger Single Male 47 1834 Engraver - David Roderick Lodger Single Male 27 1854 Carpenter Cardiganshire, Wales
The tree has her as Ellen Neal, they marry in 1883 and she dies in 1886. There is absolutely nothing to back this up though.
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greyghost
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25 Oct 2020 16:40 |
The family in 1861? 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census 25, Bingfield Street, St Mary, Islington, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Charles Jackson Head Married Male 30 1831 Labourer Islington, England Mary Ann Jane Jackson Wife Married Female 31 1830 Westminster, tower Street William Jane Jackson Son - Male 9 1852 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England Elizabeth Mary Ann Jackson Daughter - Female 8 1853 Old Kent Road, St Georges Charles Jackson Son - Male 6 1855 St Mary, Islington Jane Frances Jackson Daughter - Female 4 1857 -Ditto Mary Jackson Daughter - Female 1 1860 - -Ditto
Original does say William Jane!!
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greyghost
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25 Oct 2020 16:43 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Gifford Street, Islington, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Charles Jackson Head - Male 40 1831 - Middlesex, England Mary A J Jackson Wife - Female 42 1829 - Surrey, England William J Jackson Son - Male 19 1852 - Surrey, England Labourer, unemployed Charles Jackson Son - Male 16 1855 - Middlesex, England Jane F Jackson Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Middlesex, England Mary Jackson Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Middlesex, England Henry Jackson Son - Male 6 1865 - Middlesex, England James W Jackson Son - Male 0 1871 - Middlesex, England
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Susan
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25 Oct 2020 16:57 |
Hi Greyghost,
Yes the parents of William were as you have found above. I couldn't find William in the 1881 or 1891 cencus!! I found that he had a wife in 1883 Ellen Neal but she died in 1886,couldn't find any children. I also found a marriage to Kezia Hutchenson in 1871 she died just a few years later,still not sure on any children??
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Susan
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25 Oct 2020 16:59 |
Apologies, just seen reply from Alviegal on the 1881 cencus which confirms the marriage to Ellen
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greyghost
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25 Oct 2020 17:07 |
Alviegirl hasn't confirmed the marriage to Ellen, just saying that is what a tree on Ancestry suggests, but that there is nothing to back that up.
The 2 marriages you mention - do you KNOW that they are both him?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%) Hutcheson Kezia Islington 1b 556 <<<<<<<<<< Jackson William John Islington 1b 556 <<<<<<<<<< STACY Elizabeth Susannah Islington 1b 556 STAMMERS Thomas Islington 1b 556
Use this site (register, but free) to find births with mmn prior to 1912 and age at death from 1837 https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
BIRTHS Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: JACKSON, GEORGE JOHN HUTCHESON GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 271
JACKSON, WILLIAM JOHN HUTCHESON GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 274
JACKSON, MARY ANN JEMIMA HUTCHESON GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 293 DEATHS ? Name: Age at Death (in years): JACKSON, WILLIAM JOHN 0 GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 149
JACKSON, GEORGE JOHN 2 GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 173
JACKSON, MARY ANN 0 GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 141
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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1883 (>99%) JACKSON William John Marylebone 1a 1181 <<<<<<<<< Matthews Mary Marylebone 1a 1181 <<<<<<<<< Moore Herbert Marylebone 1a 1181 NEAL Ellen Marylebone 1a 1181
This one isn't him - Image for this one on Ancestry. William a Bachelor, Tin Plate Worker aged 25. Father Wm John. Married Mary Matthews
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Susan
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25 Oct 2020 17:18 |
No i have no definate ,i will purchase the Kezia one as i know that the name comes up on future children he had with my great grandmother, it's an unusual name which made me think that.. Oh i hadn't seen that.. Thank you
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greyghost
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25 Oct 2020 17:29 |
??? This would mean born c1852, so around the same age as William. Not seeing her 1891 census at the moment
Deaths Sep 1891 (>99%) Jackson Kezia 39 Islington 1b 166
Should also say widower on his marriage cert. to great gran - EDIT - yes, Shirley posted the Banns earlier on the thread which said he was a widower.
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Susan
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25 Oct 2020 17:55 |
hi , i have found the marriage cert to my great gran and it shows as him being widowed
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greyghost
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25 Oct 2020 22:40 |
?? - later than you were told but same area as 1911 census
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
First name(s) WILLIAM J Last name JACKSON Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1852 Age 64 Death quarter 2 Death year 1916 District Edmonton County Middlesex Volume 3A Page 607 Country England
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