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Angela
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31 Oct 2020 11:34 |
I have a block I have a man b1883 I can find his marriage 1903 then he has children but 9 of his 11 children have another womens maiden name on their info the last 2 children have their his wife's maiden name on thier info. Any suggestions please? Oh and I can't find one of the women at all. His wife I can only find on their marriage info so not a clue where she is from y.
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ErikaH
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31 Oct 2020 11:50 |
What are the names? And location?
We can’t even try to help without those details
Have you considered that his wife may have been married before?
Buying the marriage cert would seem to be a good way to progress
What census info have you found for the family?
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nameslessone
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31 Oct 2020 11:54 |
birth certificates might also help. I have found that sometimes where a mother has been married before ( as Erika suggested) children can be registered with either of her surnames.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Nov 2020 09:52 |
As they married in 1903 then they should show on the 1911 census with a possible place of birth
Plus the marriage cert may give her fathers name ,if known
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Angela
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4 Nov 2020 10:44 |
Thanks for your replies and sorry for the lack of info. George J Aspinall b1883 Greenwich. I can only find him married in 1903 to Matilda Ann Howard at Strood, Kent. He had 9 children starting with George W Aspinall b1904 then 8 more 1907 1910 1912 1914 1917 1919 1922 1927. I found them some in census where it says he lived with his wife Matilda. But all their mothers maiden names were Mercer.
Then there were 2 more children Mary Aspinall 1904 and Philip Aspinall 1925 their mothers maiden name was Howard. Mary and George W were not twins. I have sent off for the birth certificates of both who were born in 1904. Hopefully this will give me the info I need but in the meantime any suggestions are more than welcome.
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 11:22 |
For our info -
1911 Census For England & Wales 14 Coopers Road Perry ST, Northfleet, Kent, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Aspinall Head Married Male 28 1883 General Labourer Woolwich Kent Matilda Aspinall Wife Married Female 28 1883 - Kent Perry Street Northfleet George Aspinall Son - Male 6 1905 - Kent Perry Street Northfleet Harrold Aspinall Son - Male 3 1908 - Kent Northfleet Cyril Aspinall Son - Male 1 1910 - Kent Perry St Northfleet
Image shiws MArried 7 years. 4 children born alive to the marriage - 3 still living, 1 has died
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 11:27 |
And again for our info - the marriage you refer to
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%) Aspinall George Strood 2a 1264 <<<<<<<<< DANN Eliza Clara Strood 2a 1264 Howard Matilda Ann Strood 2a 1264 <<<<<<<< Waghorn Alfred Louis Strood 2a 1264
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 11:33 |
The 3 births for the children showing on the 1911 census
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: ASPINALL, CYRIL WILFRED MERCER GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 659
ASPINALL, HAROLD HERBERT MERCER GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 725
ASPINALL, GEORGE WILLIAM MERCER GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 665 and the birth of the child who died pre 1911 ?
ASPINALL, MARY BEATRICE HOWARD GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 678
her death - Name: Age at Death (in years): ASPINALL, MARY BEATRICE 0 GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 409
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 11:43 |
? Matilda in 1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 41, Lansdowne Place, St George the Martyr Southwark, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Charlotte Adamson Head Married Female 24 1877 Paper Sorter Bermondsey, Surrey, England Louisa Sarah Adamson Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - - Ada Maria Howard Boarder Single Female 21 1880 Vellum Work Bermondsey, Surrey, England Matilda Howard Boarder Single Female 19 1882 Vellum Work Greenwich, Kent, England
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ArgyllGran
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4 Nov 2020 11:47 |
Matilda Mercer in the 1891 England Census Name: Matilda Mercer Gender: Female Age: 8 Relationship: Granddaughter Birth Year: 1883 Father: Walter Mercer Birth Place: Northfleet, Kent, England Civil Parish: Northfleet Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Residence Place: Perry Street, Northfleet, Kent, England Registration District: Strood Sub registration district: Northfleet ED, Institution or Vessel: 7 Neighbors: Piece: 650 Folio: 46 Household Members: Name Age George Mercer 76 Mary Mercer 64 Walter Mercer 30 - single Matilda Mercer 8
Although Ancestry's transcription assumes Walter is Matilda's father, there's nothing to suggest that he is. Her father was probably Walter's brother James, in light of later posts on this thread.
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 11:50 |
18 Cooper's Road, Northfleet, Northfleet U.D., Kent, England
Aspinall household (7 people) First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number George J Aspinall 19 Dec 1882 Male Storekeeper Warehousem Married 169 1 Matilda A Aspinall 07 Nov 1882 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 169 2 William A (H) Aspinall 15 Jun 1912 Male Salesman Grocery Single 169 3 Henry J Aspinall 15 ? 1914 Male Printing Machine Mind Single 169 4 David I Aspinall 19 May 1917 Male Maintenance & Loco Fitter Single 169 5 The record for this person is officially closed. The record for this person is officially closed.
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David I could well be David S on origianal
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 11:57 |
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: ASPINALL, DAVID STEPHEN MERCER GRO Reference: 1917 S Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 968
ASPINALL, HENRY JOHN MERCER GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 1403 ASPINALL, WILLIAM ALBERT MERCER GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 1323
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ArgyllGran
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4 Nov 2020 12:06 |
???
Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%) Howard Louisa Strood 2a 769 MERCER James Strood 2a 769
Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%) DALTON William Strood 2a 885 MERCER Louisa Strood 2a 885
Louisa Dalton in the 1891 England Census Name: Louisa Dalton Gender: Female Age: 29 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1862 Spouse: William Dalton Birth Place: Northfleet, Kent, England Civil Parish: Northfleet Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Residence Place: Perry Street, Northfleet, Kent, England Registration District: Strood Sub registration district: Northfleet ED, Institution or Vessel: 7 Neighbors: Piece: 650 Folio: 46 Household Members: Name Age William Dalton 43 Louisa Dalton 29
James Mercer, son of the Matilda's grandparents ?? (see Matilda with them in 1891 above):
James Mercer in the 1881 England Census Name: James Mercer Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relationship to Head: Son Father: George Mercer Mother: Mary Mercer Gender: Male Where born: Northfleet, Kent, England Civil Parish: Northfleet County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: 17 Wycliffe Rd Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Cement Laborer Registration District: North Aylesford ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 877 Folio: 86 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age George Mercer 64 Mary Mercer 54 James Mercer 21 Walter Mercer 19 George Mercer 16 John Mercer 13
James's death ??:
James Mercer in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: James Mercer Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Registration Year: 1886 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 26 Registration District: Gravesend Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 265
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ArgyllGran
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4 Nov 2020 12:10 |
Louisa Howard in 1881:
Louisa Howard in the 1881 England Census Name: Louisa Howard Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relationship to Head: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Northfleet, Kent, England Civil Parish: Northfleet County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: 1 Victoria Road Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: General Serv Registration District: North Aylesford ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 877 Folio: 77 Page Number: 7
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 12:10 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Elizabeth Place, Northfleet, North Aylesford, Kent, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Mercer Head - Male 54 1817 - Kent, England Mary A Mercer Wife - Female 44 1827 - Kent, England James Mercer Son - Male 11 1860 - Kent, England Walter Mercer Son - Male 9 1862 - Kent, England George Mercer Son - Male 6 1865 - Kent, England John Mercer Son - Male 2 1869 - Kent, England Walter Mercer's Census Details Details taken from the original census record.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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4 Nov 2020 12:11 |
Not seeing a birth for her under either name
Seems like she may have been illegitimate and was with grandparents for a time
Who did she name as father on the marriage certificate
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ArgyllGran
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4 Nov 2020 12:13 |
Matilda's birth:
HOWARD, ANNIE MATILDA - GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in NORTH AYLESFORD Volume 02A Page 507
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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4 Nov 2020 12:21 |
A tree on ancestry suggest she is the daughter of Louisa Howard born c1868 north fleet
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Marriages Jun 1885 Howard Louisa Strood 2a 769 MERCER James Strood 2a 769
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greyghost
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4 Nov 2020 12:22 |
Looking at the possible marriage of Louisa Howard to James Mercer in 1885, posted by AG -
If Matilda was born before marriage then mother's maiden name would correctly be Howard, but whether James was her Father or not, she became known as Mercer. whilst living with the family. But then correctly married as Howard as that was her birth name.
Birth registration of her children - maybe the question of Mother's maiden name was not well phrased and led to the use of one or the other
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ArgyllGran
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4 Nov 2020 13:27 |
GG posted a possible 1901 for Matilad.
However, I think that's this child - here in 1891 with her father and siblings, including sister Maria born in Bermondsey (Ada Maria in 1901).
Matilda Howard in the 1891 England Census Name: Matilda Howard Gender: Female Age: 9 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1882 Father: William Howard Mother: Susan Howard Birth Place: Greenwich, London, England Civil Parish: St George the Martyr Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene Residence Place: St George the Martyr, London, England Registration District: St Saviour Southwark Sub registration district: Kent Road ED, Institution or Vessel: 14 Neighbors: Piece: 345 Folio: 160 Household Members: Name Age William Howard 49 Susan Howard 4 Maria Howard 11 - Bermondsey Matilda Howard 9 Edwin Howard 5 Albert Howard 3
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