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shelia
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4 Feb 2021 02:40 |
Hello, Seeking ANY info no matter how small on George henry Wilkins born approx. 1911/1912 in Birkenhead England . Parents listed as Albert Edward Wilkins and Margaret Duff. George was sent to Canada as a 10 year old to be placed on farms for approx. 10 years. After returning to England he married Hannah Hampson and had 4 children. Then relocating to Australia married Marjory Pither having 2 children. After Marjory died George remarried Deborah Trafford having approx. another further 6 children before dying in Queensland in around 2000.
Any info gratefully appreciated Many thanks Shelia
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Kay????
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4 Feb 2021 08:35 |
Surname Given Name Mother District Volume Page Transcriber Births Mar 1912 Wilkins George H. Duff Birkenhead 8a 1063
His birth entry.
This is possibly his outward journey to Canada.
Name: George Wilkins Gender: Male Age: 10 Birth Date: abt 1912 Departure Date: 14 Sep 1922 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: Quebec, Canada Ship Name: Minnedosa Search Ship Database: Search for the Minnedosa in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Railway Official Number: 142717 Master: R Sibbons.
I cant see a marriage for the parents in England/Wales,,
His return journey to UK.and is returning to Birkinhead.
Name: George Wilkins Gender: Male Age: 10 Birth Date: abt 1912 Departure Date: 14 Sep 1922 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Return journey to UK.
ViewUK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Add or update information Report a problem Name: George Henry Wilkins Arrival Age: 21 Birth Date: abt 1911 Port of Departure: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Arrival Date: 3 Sep 1932 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: Belfast; Greenock Ship Name: Montcalm Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Official Number: 165903 Search Ship Database: Search for the Montcalm in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database going to 10 Robetrts Street Birkinhead.
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ErikaH
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4 Feb 2021 08:52 |
You seem to know a lot already. What more do you hope for?
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ErikaH
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4 Feb 2021 09:41 |
On freebmd there are seven Wilkins/Hampson births between 1935 and 1945
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4 Feb 2021 09:52 |
You have a lot of info on him in your Ancestry tree, mainly about his time in Australia.
I assume you hope to find out about his parents and other birth family, and more about his time in Canada?
His UK address on returning from Canada to the UK in 1932 (record posted by Kay above) was 19 Robert Street, Birkenhead.
On your tree you have his mother as Margaret Duff, but his father simply as Wilkins. Is there some doubt about his father's first names - or is it just that you found out his first names since last accessing your tree?
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4 Feb 2021 09:57 |
He wasn't at 19 Robert Street in 1939.
Harry and Dorah Hughes (nee Southern) lived there then, with (presumably) two children - closed records..
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4 Feb 2021 10:11 |
First wife + two children in 1939 Name: Hannah Wilkins Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 26 May 1915 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 265C Upper Parliament St Residence Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number: 16 Schedule Number: 204 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: NHOP Borough: Liverpool Registration district: 453-5 Household Members: 1
TWO closed records
George is not listed
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ErikaH
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4 Feb 2021 10:30 |
Do you have his birth cert?
If not, how did you find out the names of his parents?
What was his father's occupation?
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nameslessone
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4 Feb 2021 10:40 |
The information about George’s parents would have been on his Australian death certificate.
Edit: known children can also be listed
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ErikaH
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4 Feb 2021 10:55 |
But only 'as known' to the infomant, one assumes?
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ErikaH
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4 Feb 2021 11:02 |
The first child of the marriage to Hannah died in infancy, which fits nicely with 2 closed records on 1939 register
Deaths Dec 1935 (>99%) Wilkins George T 0 Liverpool S. 8b 129
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4 Feb 2021 11:03 |
In the case I am aware of that could be supposed. Only the child of the first marriage was shown, the child from the second was fostered then adopted after the mother died of birth complications and other children have been found via DNA testing.
The names of the parents and the details of the first child must have been in his personal paperwork. Nothing from his last marriage was shown.
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ErikaH
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4 Feb 2021 11:10 |
Three of his offspring
Name: Master Warren Wilkins Gender: Male Age: 13 Birth Date: abt 1937 Departure Date: 31 Mar 1950 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: Sydney, Australia Ship Name: Largs Bay
Name: Miss Rita A Wilkins Gender: Female Age: 9 Birth Date: abt 1941 Departure Date: 31 Mar 1950 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: Sydney, Australia Ship Name: Largs Bay
Name: Master George H Wilkins Gender: Male Age: 11 Birth Date: abt 1939 Departure Date: 31 Mar 1950 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: Sydney, Australia Ship Name: Largs Bay
Last address in UK The Fairbridge Society, 38, Holland Villas Road, London
So they were put in some sort of 'care', and shipped off to Australia
https://www.princes-trust.org.uk/about-the-trust/research-policies-reports/fairbridge-society
Three younger children still to account for
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Kay????
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4 Feb 2021 11:46 |
ViewUK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Add or update information Report a problem Name: Mr G H Wilkins Gender: Male Age: 38 Birth Date: abt 1912 Departure Date: 30 Aug 1950 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: Sydney, Australia Ship Name: Asturias Search Ship Database: Search for the Asturias in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
LKA--18,Blantyre Road Liverpool 15 Lancs..
OCC liisted as Dairy Farm Hand.
George must have sent the children ahead of him and got them a paid passage>
Til FAIRBRIDGE SOCIETY Hi FAIRBRIDGE SOCIETY Will you give him the same happiness and opportunity as other children at our farm schools in Australia It costs £30 but please send something. This appeal is made through the generosity of a friend. President 07 May 1955 - The Sphere - London, London, England.
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4 Feb 2021 12:45 |
The children were being sent to the Fairbridge Farm School, Molong, NSW, as per their arrival records at Fremantle
Name: Miss Rita A Wilkins Departure Place: Southampton, United Kingdom Arrival Date: 30 Apr 1950 Arrival Place: Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia Vessel: Largs Bay plus the two boys
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shelia
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5 Feb 2021 00:46 |
Thank you all for the information it is greatly appreciated. I have only what George put on his Marriage cert. to my grandmother Marjory, (2nd wife).. He has listed his parents as Albert edward Wilkins -dock labourer- deceased and mother as Margaret Duff. And his birth date at 17 dec 1911. However when cross check cannot find a duff giving birth in 1911 only for 1912 And no marriage link between his parents So main problem is getting past George to find correct parents and possible siblings.
Again Thank you all very much.
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5 Feb 2021 01:55 |
???? what is the address on his birth cert
Record Transcription: 1911 Census For England & Wales
21 Alfred Road Seacombe Wallasey, Poulton cum Seacombe, Cheshire, England
Albert's occupation
Dock Labourer
13,583 people nearby also had that occupation. See who they were Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Albert Wilkins Head Widower Male 43 1868 Dock Labourer Hepton Mallet Somerset Lottie Saunders Illegitimate Daughter - Female 7 1904 - New Brighton Wallasey Minnie Saunders Daughter - Female 2 1909 - Seacombe Wallasey
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Gwyn in Kent
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5 Feb 2021 02:07 |
Births Mar 1912 Wilkins George H .... Duff..... Birkenhead 8a 1063
For a birth in the second half of December, it is quite common to see a registration in the March quarter of the following year.
A copy of the birth certificate would show an address which should help locate the parents in 1911 census.
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shelia
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5 Feb 2021 05:00 |
Hi, Many thanks for info on birth registration, clears things immensely.
Address almost spot on, listed as 5 Victoria grove Poolton cum Seacombe England
Many thanks :-D
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Feb 2021 08:27 |
Sounds like he was a BHC
I am on the British home child site on ancestry as my mums elder half sister was also a BHC in 1909 aged 10
So George Wilkins Gender: Male Age: 10 Birth Date: abt 1912 Departure Date: 14 Sep 1922 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: Quebec, Canada Ship Name: Minnedosa Search Ship Database: Search for the Minnedosa in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Railway Official Number: 142717 Master: R Sibb
He was with a large group of dr Barnardos children
You can apply for his records if you are a next if kin
They are costly though and can take up to a years to be supplied, But due to COVID they aren’t accepting any requests at the moment
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