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Ginny
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5 Apr 2021 12:56 |
Hi Guys I’ve hit a bit of a brick wall . I’m trying to trace the birth of a Henrietta ( Hetty ) Codd in or around 1903 . Her parents were William Codd ( b1881 ) and Mary Codd ( nee Mahoney ) b 1879 . I’ve found her on the 1911 census aged 8 and her given birthplace was Aldershot . Her parents were married in 1900 in Farnborough but I can’t find them on the 1901 census . I’m wondering if her father was a soldier & that they may have gone to Ireland . I’m really hoping that one of you could find Hetty’s birth . Many thanks for reading & any tips would really help .
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ArgyllGran
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5 Apr 2021 13:27 |
I'm not seeing her in 1911 if born Aldershot.
EDIT: Yes, this is the right family below - the image says Aldershot for Hetty and young Mary, though the transcription says Ham.
Hetty Codd in the 1911 England Census Name: Hetty Codd Age in 1911: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Ham, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Battersea Country: England Street Address: 28 Warsill Street, Battersea S W Registration District Number: 26 Sub-registration District: East Battersea ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Piece: 2155 Household Members: Name Age William Codd 32 - Westminster, London, general labourer Mary Codd 31 - Waterford, Ireland Hetty Codd 8 - [Aldershot on image ] Mary Codd 6 - Ham, Hampshire [ Aldershot on image ] Kathleen Codd 3 - Ireland [ Fethard, Ireland on image] William Codd 1 - Waterford.
Married 11 years. 5 children born, one deceased.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Apr 2021 13:30 |
Marriage, for our reference - :
Henry William Codd in the Surrey, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 Name: Henry William Codd Gender: Male Marriage Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1878 Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1900 Marriage Place: Farnborough, St Peter, Surrey, England Parish as it Appears: Farnborough Father: William Codd, licensed victualler Spouse: Mary Mahoney [ father: Daniel Mahoney, boatman ]
Henry was a bombardier with the Royal Artillery.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Apr 2021 13:50 |
Are you sure Henry William, who married Mary Mahoney, is the same person as William in 1911?
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ArgyllGran
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5 Apr 2021 13:58 |
If the 1900 marriage is not the correct couple, maybe Hetty's parents married in Ireland.
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Ginny
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5 Apr 2021 14:03 |
I think you might be right about the Ireland marriage - it doesn’t look like the Farnborough one is the right one
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Ginny
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5 Apr 2021 14:06 |
So now I have no maiden name for Hetty’s mother ...
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Ginny
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5 Apr 2021 14:17 |
In the 1939 index Hetty’s birthdate is given as April 2nd 1901 but no place !
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ArgyllGran
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5 Apr 2021 14:20 |
The 1939 Register never gives birthplaces.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Apr 2021 14:24 |
Death of the brother William ??
William Codd in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: William Codd Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910 Registration Year: 1911 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 1 Registration District: Wandsworth Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 551
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Ginny
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5 Apr 2021 14:27 |
That’s definitely Hetty’s brother .
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malyon
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5 Apr 2021 22:16 |
the births in aldershot are not on bmd uk
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malyon
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5 Apr 2021 22:25 |
this must be william codd's birth
Births Mar 1879 (>99%) Codd William St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 437
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malyon
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5 Apr 2021 22:29 |
William Codd is still at home with parents England and Wales Census, 1881 Name: William Codd Event Type: Census Event Date: 1881 Event Place: St Margaret And St John The Evangelist Westminster, London,Middlesex, England Registration District: St George Hanover Square Residence Note: Grey Coat St Sex: Male Age: 2 Marital Status: Single Marital Status (Original): Single Birth Year (Estimated): 1879 Birthplace: Westminster, Middlesex, England Relationship to Head of Household: Son Page Number: 24 Registration Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 113/62 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Samuel Codd Head Male 29 Westminster, Middlesex, England Emma Codd Wife Female 24 Westminster, Middlesex, England Samuel Codd Son Male 5 Westminster, Middlesex, England Emma Codd Daughter Female 3 Westminster, Middlesex, England William Codd Son Male 2 Westminster, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Codd Daughter Female 0 Westminster, Middlesex, England
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malyon
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5 Apr 2021 22:30 |
William Codd England and Wales Census, 1901 Name: William Codd Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Event Place: City of London, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom County: London, Middlesex Civil Parish: St Margaret And St John Ecclesiastical Parish: St Stephen Sub-District: St Margaret And St John Registration District: St George Hanover Square Sex: Male Age: 22 Occupation: BRASS FINISHER Relationship to Head of Household: Son Birth Year (Estimated): 1879 Birthplace: Westminster, London Schedule Type: 45 Page Number: 9 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Samuel Codd Head Male 50 Westminster, London Emma Codd Wife Female 48 Westminster, London Samuel F Codd Son Male 25 Westminster, London William Codd Son Male 22 Westminster, London Walter G Codd Son Male 18 Westminster, London Jane Codd Daughter Female 16 Westminster, London Alice Codd Daughter Female 13 Westminster, London Margaret Codd Daughter Female 11 Westminster, London Richard Codd Son Male 10 Westminster, London Katie Codd Daughter Female 6 Westminster, London Marie Codd Daughter Female 5 Westminster, London Charles Codd Son Male 0 Westminster, London Emma Mason Daughter Female 23 Westminster, London Amelia Mason Grand Daughter Female 0 Westminster, London
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5 Apr 2021 23:50 |
I had already discounted those censuses, because that William Codd is the wrong man.
That one married Florence Hesketh in 1904, and was still alive in 1939.
William Codd in the Westminster, London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1919 Name: William Codd Age: 0 Birth Date: 1 Dec 1878 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1878 Baptism Place: St Stephen, Rochester Row, London, England Parish as it Appears: S. Stephen Westminster Father: Samuel Codd Mother: Emma Codd
William Codd in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: William Codd Registration Year: 1904 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: St George Hanover Square Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 1020 Records on Page: Name William Codd Florence Hesketh
William Codd in the 1911 England Census Name: William Codd Age in 1911: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Minster, Middlesex, England [ Westminster on image ] Civil Parish: Battersea Country: England Street Address: 63 Tennyson Street, Battersea Marital status: Married Occupation: Brass Finisher <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Registration District Number: 26 Sub-registration District: East Battersea ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Piece: 2175 Household Members: Name Age William Codd 31 Florence Codd 28 William Codd 6 Albert Codd 4 Florence Codd 2
William Codd in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: William Codd Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 1 Dec 1878 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Residence Year: 1939 Address: 63 Residence Place: Battersea, London, England Occupation: Brass Finisher <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Line Number: 8 Schedule Number: 254 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: ABBC Borough: Battersea Registration district: 23/1 Inferred Spouse: Florence Codd Inferred Children: William Codd Albert S Codd Florence Codd George W Codd Household Members Age William Codd 61 Florence Codd 55 William Codd 35 Albert S Codd 32 Florence Codd 30 George W Codd 23
Malyon posted the correct birth for Samuel and Emma's son - but he's not the one who married Mary - unless he was living a double life.
Samuel Codd in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Samuel Codd Gender: Male Marriage Date: 02 Jan 1876 Marriage Place: Saint Martin In The Fields,Westminster,London,England Spouse: Emily Warwick
CODD, WILLIAM mmn WARWICK GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in ST GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 437
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6 Apr 2021 00:21 |
??? Maybe this is the right one ??? Note - mother and sister called Hetty
CODD, WILLIAM HENRY mmn HILLIARD GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in ST GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 415
William Henry Codd in the Westminster, London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1919 Name: William Henry Codd Age: 0 Birth Date: 9 Sep 1878 Baptism Date: 1 Dec 1878 Baptism Place: St Stephen, Rochester Row, London, England Parish as it Appears: S. Stephen Westminster Father: William Codd ( licensed victualler) Mother: Hetty Codd Address: Grey Coat Hospital Public House
Parents' marriage:
Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%) CODD William Strand 1b 932 HILLIARD Esther Strand 1b 932
William Codd in the Westminster, London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935 Name: William Codd Gender: Male Marriage Age: Full Age Marriage Date: 27 Apr 1876 Marriage Place: St Martin-In-The-Fields, London, Westminster, England Parish as it Appears: St Martin in the Fields View this parish Father: Richard Codd Spouse: Esther Hilliard
Deaths Sep 1883 (>99%) CODD Esther 33 St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 267
Another child of William & Esther:
Hetty Kate Codd in the Westminster, London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1919 Name: Hetty Kate Codd Age: 0 Birth Date: 1 Dec 1876 Baptism Date: 28 Mar 1877 Baptism Place: St Stephen, Rochester Row, London, England Parish as it Appears: S. Stephen, Westminster Father: William Codd (glazier) Mother: Esther Codd Address: 28 Grey Coat Street
Hetty R Codd in the 1891 England Census Name: Hetty R Codd Gender: Female Age: 14 Relationship: Niece Birth Year: 1877 Birth Place: Westminster, London, England Civil Parish: St John the Evangalist Westminster Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens Residence Place: St John the Evangalist Westminster, London, England Registration District: St George Hanover Square Sub registration district: St John Westminster ED, Institution or Vessel: 17 Neighbors: Piece: 80 Folio: 49 Household Members: Name Age George H Dicker 32 Ellen Dicker 31 Ellen M Dicker 7 Hetty R Codd 14
George Henry Dicker in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: George Henry Dicker Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Marriage Date: 05 Jun 1881 Marriage Place: St. Martin In The Fields, Westminster, Middlesex, England Father: Joseph Dicker Spouse: Ellen Hilliard FHL Film Number: 1701793 Reference ID: v 99 p 35
Hetty Kate Codd in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Hetty Kate Codd Gender: Female Marriage Age: 29 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1876 Marriage Date: 30 Sep 1905 Marriage Place: St Mary, Battersea, Wandsworth, England Father: William Codd ( deceased, publican) Spouse: John Higgins Register Type: Parish Register
Perhaps William 1878 ??
William Cod in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930 Name: William Cod Admission Age: 6 Record Type: Admission Birth Date: 1878 Admission Date: 21 May 1884 Admission Place: Southwark, Southwark, London, England
William Cod in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930 Name: William Cod Discharge Age: 6 Record Type: Discharge Birth Date: abt 1878 Discharge Date: 21 May 1884 Discharge Place: Southwark, Southwark, London, England
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William and Esther/Hetty in 1881, with the children:
William Coad in the 1881 England Census Name: William Coad Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Ettie Coad Gender: Male Where born: Westr, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St John the Evangelist County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 17 Grey Coat St (Grey Coat Hospital) (Public) Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Licensed Victualler Registration District: St George Hanover Square ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: Piece: 113 Folio: 64 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age William Coad 31 Ettie Coad 30 Ettie Coad 4 - daughter William Coad 3 - son Jennie Coad 19 - servant Elizabeth Coad 8 - sister, scholar
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6 Apr 2021 00:51 |
Esther's husband - father of William Henry and Hetty Kate:
William Codd in the 1871 England Census Name: William Codd Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: 1850 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where born: Westr Middlesex England Civil parish: St John The Evangelist Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: St John Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Household schedule number: 125 Piece: 121 Folio: 85 Page number: 23 Household Members Age Relationship Richard Codd 51 Head Katherine Codd 44 Wife William Codd 21 Son Samuel Codd 19 Son Emma Codd 17 Daughter George Codd 14 Son Frederick Codd 12 Son Jane Codd 9 Daughter Charles W Codd 7 Son Louisa Codd 3 Daughter Elizabeth Codd 1 Daughter
William Codd in the 1891 England Census Name: William Codd Gender: Male Age: 41 Relationship: Son Birth Year: 1850 Mother: Catherine Codd Birth Place: Westminster, London, England Civil Parish: St John the Evangalist Westminster Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens Residence Place: St John the Evangalist Westminster, London, England Registration District: St George Hanover Square Sub registration district: St John Westminster ED, Institution or Vessel: 17 Neighbors: Piece: 80 Folio: 63 Household Members: Name Age Catherine Codd 66 William Codd 41 - son, waiter, widower Walter Codd 23 - son Louisa Codd 22 - daughter Charles Creighton 35 - boarder
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Ginny
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6 Apr 2021 03:45 |
ArgyllGran I think you’re onto something with the Hetty thing - that would mean that I have the right marriage of ‘my ‘ Hetty’s parents in Farnborough . The question is, why on the 1911 census is Hetty & her sisters birth place is given as Aldershot & I can’t find anything on GRO ? Their siblings were born in Ireland, could Hetty & her sister have been too ? The marriage in Farnborough took place in December 1900 & Hetty came among in April 1901 ( ! ) . Many thanks for what you’ve done
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ArgyllGran
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6 Apr 2021 09:47 |
Yes, it does look as if the 1900 marriage is the right one after all, even though the groom is Henry William instead of William Henry.
His father is certainly William, licensed victualler., and from censuses he was born in Westminster.
I think the girls must have been born in Ireland, as there's no trace of them in England, no matter how I search for them. Can't find their births in Ireland either, but that seems the most likely scenario.
As William's baptism record (posted above) gives his DOB as 9 Sept 1878, this may be him and Mary (plus a lodger?) in 1939. Years of birth are frequently slightly wrong on the 1939 Register, but days and months of birth are usually correct.
Henry Wm Codd in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Henry Wm Codd Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 9 Sep 1877 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 63 Portslade Road Residence Place: Battersea, London, England Occupation: Gas ?? House Labourer [Gas & Plumbing House (something) ] Line Number: 30 Schedule Number: 38 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: ABAX Borough: Battersea Registration district: 23-1 Inferred Spouse: Mary Codd Household Members Age Henry Wm Codd 62 Mary Codd 51 - 24 March 1888, retired [Closed r ecord ] Elsie Stock?? 24 - 2 Dec 1915, waitress restaurant [Closed record ]
Elsie seems to be just a lodger, not a relative.
Births Mar 1916 (>99%) Stocker Elsie M Flowers Lambeth 1d 783
Marriages Sep 1939 (>99%) Fitch Sidney T Stocker Battersea 1d 1526 Stocker Elsie Fitch Battersea 1d 1526
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