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Hello Cherilyn

can you please help with this chap's parents

I have Frank George Spencer
Flight Sergeant
Service No:
427360
Date of Death:
19/07/1944
Age:
21
Regiment/Service:
Royal Australian Air Force

Son of Frank and Nellie Spencer, of Maylands, Western Australia

I think they married in Australia as i cannot find a marriage in England.

Nellie was a Young but her first name could be Alice .

They had 2 more children Kenneth and Elsie

Thank you

Hi Quoy

Frank SPENCER married Nellie YOUNG in 1920 in Perth, WA (reg 88).

Frank George was born in Perth in 1923 (reg 570)

Nellie died on 29 Dec 1973 aged 79 and Frank on 5 Aug 1972 aged 78. Both buried at Karrakatta (Anglican) www.mcb.wa.gov.au

PS there was a Frank SPENCER who married to an Alice (much earlier) but different couple...that Frank was KIA in WWI

You have come up trumps again Cherilyn thank you

Now then my friends dad (who i am doing the tree for) said that his Aunt Alice went to Australia in 1906 and married Frank Spencer . Alice was born in 1890 her sister Nellie was born in 1894.

Could there have been 2 Frank Spencer's or could Frank have been married to Alice first and then Nellie mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

forgot to add
I know Flight Sergeant Spencer is the correct family as my friends dad remembers meeting a member of his family in the 1950s

OK I am a bit confused...

Alice M EDMONDS married Frank SPENCER in 1908 in Fremantle (reg 32). She died in 1951 in Perth (reg 1410), aged 51 - so not your Alice.

This is the WWI enlistment of THAT Frank:
SPENCER Frank : Service Number - 5785 : Place of Birth - Adelaide SA : Place of Enlistment - Blackboy Hill WA : Next of Kin - (Wife) SPENCER Alice May

He was 31 when he enlisted in Feb 1916 (28th Btn), a mill hand, married with 2 children. He was promoted to Lance Corporal then T/Cpl in 1917 but reverted to Private at own request in Feb 1918. He was killed in action in France on 29th Aug 1918 (3 days after returning from leave). So not a flight sergeant...and could not have remarried to Nellie in 1920! Still looking...

Ah I see, THIS Frank was a Flight Sgt and airman, killed in action but in WWII, he was the son of Frank & Nellie, b. 1923 as originally posted:

SPENCER FRANK GEORGE : Service Number - 427360 : Date of birth - 22 Feb 1923 : Place of birth - MAYLANDS WA : Place of enlistment - PERTH : Next of Kin - SPENCER FRANK

He was only 19 when he enlisted in WWII, a jnr draughtsman. He was reported missing during air operations over France, presumed dead by July 1944. Big lad at 6' tall, 11 stone 6lbs. Father's address was 13 Sherwood St, Maylands; his occupation was stores packer. Frank George attended Perth Modern School 1935-1940 and Perth Technical College 1940-41. There are a few small photos of him in his dossier at www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/

The West Australian, Thursday 18 July 1946
SPENCER (F/Sgt. Frank George).-In loving, memory of our beloved son, lost over France, July 18, 1944, loving brother of Ken and Elsie. Sadly missed.
SPENCER, Frank (Flight-Sergeant). In loving memory of our dear brother, killed In air operations over France, July 18, 1944. Inserted by his loving brother Ken, sister-in-law Molly, and Kenneth John.
The West Australian, Friday 18 July 1947
SPENCER.-In loving memory of our beloved son, F/Sgt. Frank George Spencer, lost over France. July 18, 1944. Sadly missed by his parents and sister.
[From NLA Trove]


Brother Ken was born as Kenneth in 1920 (no middle name), he married Edith Mary THOMAS (known as Molly) in 1945 in Perth (reg 540). He died 5/10/1980 aged only 60. Molly died 22/12/2006 aged 90. They had a daughter b. Oct 1950 but no name given in birth notice.

Sister Elsie J was born in 1928 in Perth (reg 2566), she married Raymond Chas ILES in 1949 in Perth (reg 930). Raymond died 16/5/2009 aged 81. It appears Elsie may still be living (see www.whitepages.com.au, residential search). :-D

The West Australian, Saturday 16 April 1949
The marriage of Elsie Joy, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. F. Spencer, 13 Sherwood-street, Maylands, to Raymond Charles, eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. E. Iles, 44 Chelmsford-road. Mt. Lawley, will take place this Saturday, April 16, at St. Alban's Church, Beaufort street, at 5 p.m.

There is an emigration for N YOUNG (female) b. c1894 arriving in Fremantle in 1919. But I don't see Alice with her, though there is an Alice b. c1889 arriving in Fremantle in 1922 aboard Barrabool? Appears to be travelling alone but shows as 'Mrs".

It would seem the story has got changed over time and it was actually the sister Nellie who married Frank S. Did they definitely both come to WA I wonder...

Did neither of the sisters have middle names? I can see no marriage for Alice without a middle initial. Thought I had found her death as Alice YOUNG, perfect match agewise but then found her marriage to YOUNG (ie this was not her maiden name). :-(

Not sure if your friend's dad is interested in Frank Spencer's line but just found the death and funeral notices for his mother Amelia SPENCER in the newspaper at Trove; she died 17 Sept 1925, aged 65, widow of the late James SPENCER, formerly of Derby England, and mother of 9 children (including Frank & 4 of his brothers in WA, plus 2 brothers in Canada and 2 sisters in England!). The clue was that her remains left from 13 Sherwood St in Maylands! Sadly it appears the house no longer stands.

Frank (b. c1895, the youngest) along with his mother (?b. c1863) and brothers Ernest (b. c1884, d. 1963), Arthur (b. c1888, d. 1967) and James (b. c1891, d. 1968) arrived in Fremantle in 1912. Fred (2nd eldest) may have arrived alone in 1911. Sisters Ethel (m. Jas Edw STONE in 1908 in Derby) & Agnes (m. HARRIET) remained in the UK. Brothers Wm (eldest) & Arnold went to Canada.

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and another :-)

Thanks Cherilyn

the Spencer family are coming to England in August to meet my friends dad and he wanted to know where they fitted in to his family ,hence me doing his tree.

I will be in Australia when they come over so will not be able to meet them .

I will print this info off for him

Thanks once again.

Hey we could have a mini meet if you are any where near Brisbane or Mackay

Hi Cherylin,

For years all I knew about Richard Sharratt was his birth date and place and that he went to Australia. His father was my 2nd great grandmother's brother. Recently I found a marriage and death dates for him and wife. I'd like to find out if they had any children and their details.

Richard Sharratt born Islington, Middlesex to Richard Sharratt & Mary Sparkes on 26 Feb 1842. He married Emma Parton on 22 Jul 1885 in ____,, Queensland. She was the daughter of Richard Parton & Eliza Jackson. Do not know her birthplace or date. He died 3 Dec 1922 in _____, Queensland and she 30 May 1930 the same.

I really appreciate this offer.

Regards,

Charlotte Easter

Lol thanks Quoy that would be great but I live in Perth :-) bit of a trek! sadly arifares within Australia cost more than going overseas to Bali etc...which is why so many Aussies (esp from Perth) go there instead! (I'm off in July actually with my daughter for some 'girly' relaxing/shopping time!)

HI Charlotte

It appears they had no children.

All I can find is this:
The Birsbane Courier, Monday 1 December 1930
Name of Deceased Proprietor.-Emma Sharratt, late of Toowoomba, widow.
Date of Death.-30th May, 1930.
Name of Claimant.-The Public Curator of Queensland, as Devisee in Trust.
Description and Situation of Land. Subdivisions 19 and 20 of suburban allotment 54, county of Aubigny, parish of Drayton.
Estate Claimed to be Transmitted.-Fee simple.
Particulars of Will or Otherwise.-Will dated 18th March, 1924.
Date within which Caveat may be Lodged.-6th January, 1931.

An Emma PARTON arrived in Queensland in Aug 1880 aged 38 aboard 'Shenir'. Not sure if same lady but no birth in Qld. No other PARTONs travelling with her.

That would make her the same age as Richard. May explain why they had no children!

Looking at her parents names in later censuses, I suspect she may be the Emma PARTON born in 1842 in Wellington, Shropshire (though there are a few other possibles).

Her parents marriage:

Name: Richard Parton
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Eliza Jackson
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 27 Jan 1834
Event Place: All Saints,Forton,Stafford,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M06087-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 417193, 426544
Reference ID:


There is an 1842 birth for Emma PARTON in Stafford :-)

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